Lawmakers in Oklahoma pass bill that would make performing abortions a felony

[Bill the Cat]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...orm-abortions/

Lawmakers in Oklahoma approved a bill Thursday that would make performing abortions a felony and revoke the medical licenses of most physicians who assist in such procedures.

This sweeping measure, which opponents described as unconstitutional and unprecedented, now heads to Gov. Mary Fallin (R). She will have five days — not including Sunday — to decide whether to sign the bill, veto it or allow it to become law without her signature, according to a spokesman.

“The governor will withhold comment on that bill, as she does on most bills, until she and her staff have had a chance to review it,” Michael McNutt, a spokesman for Fallin, said in an email.

[seer]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...orm-abortions/

Lawmakers in Oklahoma approved a bill Thursday that would make performing abortions a felony and revoke the medical licenses of most physicians who assist in such procedures.

This sweeping measure, which opponents described as unconstitutional and unprecedented, now heads to Gov. Mary Fallin (R). She will have five days — not including Sunday — to decide whether to sign the bill, veto it or allow it to become law without her signature, according to a spokesman.

“The governor will withhold comment on that bill, as she does on most bills, until she and her staff have had a chance to review it,” Michael McNutt, a spokesman for Fallin, said in an email.

About time...

[Sparko]

[firstfloor]

If this becomes law it won’t actually stop abortions. It will just make them very dangerous for the women and girls affected. And if these laws are seen as being religiously inspired, women will leave the church.

“[While the problem of unintended pregnancy spanned all strata of society, the choices available to women varied before Roe. At best, these choices could be demeaning and humiliating, and at worst, they could lead to injury and death. Women with financial means had some, albeit very limited, recourse to a legal abortion; less affluent women, who disproportionately were young and members of minority groups, had few options aside from a dangerous illegal procedure.

A serious consequence of having to travel long distances to obtain an abortion was the resulting delay in having the procedure performed, which could raise the risk of complications for the woman. No more than 10% of New York City residents who had an abortion in the city in 1972 did so after the 12th week of pregnancy; in contrast, 23% of women from nonneighboring states who had an abortion in New York City did so after the 12th week.

Moreover, a woman who traveled long distances to obtain an abortion not only had to undergo the rigors of travel shortly after a surgical procedure but also was precluded from continuity in her medical care if she needed follow-up services. By the time a complication occurred, an out-of-state woman might already be home, where she would be unable to receive care from the physician who performed the abortion and, perhaps, from any physician with significant abortion experience.

Should the Supreme Court overturn Roe and return the fundamental question of abortion's legality to the states, NARAL Pro-Choice America estimates that abortion could be made illegal in 17 states. In that light, the years before Roe offer something of a cautionary tale. Granted, it is by no means a given that the precise dimensions of the public health situation that existed before 1973 would reappear. However, it must be considered extremely likely that such an overhaul of U.S. abortion jurisprudence would lead to the reestablishment of a two-tiered system in which options available to a woman confronting an unintended pregnancy would be largely determined by her socioeconomic status. Such a system has proved to be deleterious to the health of women, especially those who are disadvantaged, and is something that many had hoped would have been long consigned to the history books.]”

https://www.guttmacher.org/about/gpr...st-be-prologue

[Catholicity]

I'm fine with this on the condition that it excludes hospital based procedures for ectopic pregnancies and miscarriages in progress (aka common sense type things)

[Bill the Cat]

If this becomes law it won’t actually stop abortions.

Just like laws against rape didn't stop rapes...

It will just make them very dangerous for the women and girls affected.

PLEASE... not the back alley myth

And if these laws are seen as being religiously inspired, women will leave the church.

No they won't.

While the problem of unintended pregnancy spanned all strata of society, the choices available to women varied before Roe. At best, these choices could be demeaning and humiliating, and at worst, they could lead to injury and death. Women with financial means had some, albeit very limited, recourse to a legal abortion; less affluent women, who disproportionately were young and members of minority groups, had few options aside from a dangerous illegal procedure.

A serious consequence of having to travel long distances to obtain an abortion was the resulting delay in having the procedure performed, which could raise the risk of complications for the woman. No more than 10% of New York City residents who had an abortion in the city in 1972 did so after the 12th week of pregnancy; in contrast, 23% of women from nonneighboring states who had an abortion in New York City did so after the 12th week.

Moreover, a woman who traveled long distances to obtain an abortion not only had to undergo the rigors of travel shortly after a surgical procedure but also was precluded from continuity in her medical care if she needed follow-up services. By the time a complication occurred, an out-of-state woman might already be home, where she would be unable to receive care from the physician who performed the abortion and, perhaps, from any physician with significant abortion experience.

Should the Supreme Court overturn Roe and return the fundamental question of abortion's legality to the states, NARAL Pro-Choice America estimates that abortion could be made illegal in 17 states. In that light, the years before Roe offer something of a cautionary tale. Granted, it is by no means a given that the precise dimensions of the public health situation that existed before 1973 would reappear. However, it must be considered extremely likely that such an overhaul of U.S. abortion jurisprudence would lead to the reestablishment of a two-tiered system in which options available to a woman confronting an unintended pregnancy would be largely determined by her socioeconomic status. Such a system has proved to be deleterious to the health of women, especially those who are disadvantaged, and is something that many had hoped would have been long consigned to the history books.]”

https://www.guttmacher.org/about/gpr...st-be-prologue

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/19/op...ie-575496.html
"Abortion: Where Are the Doctors?" (editorial, Oct. 13) repeats the old myth of abortion proponents that "before Roe v. Wade, 1.2 million back-alley abortions took place each year." The 1.2 million figure comes from a 1955 conference on abortion convened by the Planned Parenthood Federation of America. The full conference report was published in 1958 as a book called "Abortion in the United States."

On page 180 appears the statement that spawned the 1.2 million abortion myth: "a plausible estimate of the frequency of induced abortion in the United States could be as low as 200,000 and as high as 1.2 million per year. . . . There is no objective basis for the selection of a particular figure between these two estimates as an approximation of the actual frequency." Nonetheless, abortion advocates seized upon the 1.2 million a year figure and promulgated it in their campaigns for abortion legalization.

[Roy]

This sweeping measure, which opponents described as unconstitutional and unprecedented, ...

How can it possibly be unconstitutional? Are they invoking the clause about forcibly quartering troops in your home???

False criticism invariably does more harm than good.

[firstfloor]

No they won't.

I think they might.

“[A group of Polish women walk out of a church service to protest against a proposed tightening of the country’s abortion laws. The women left as a priest read out a letter in favour of the ban. In Warsaw, thousands of people have attended a pro-choice rally outside parliament, after the leader of the ruling party backed a call from Catholic bishops for a full ban on pregnancy terminations.]”

The world over, God is the enemy of progressive civilisation. His reputation is going down the toilet.

[Cow Poke]

The world over, God is the enemy of progressive civilisation.

Yeah, this is why there are so many charities and hospitals and relief efforts in His name.

His reputation is going down the toilet.

Only among those who are foolish enough to be at war with Him.

[Littlejoe]

This is awesome news! I heard about this on the 10 o'clock news last night...and I literally did a fist pump!

[firstfloor]

“[Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin vetoed a unprecedented bill Friday that would have made it a felony for physicians to perform abortions in the state, saying the proposed law would not survive the inevitable legal challenges against it.]”

[rogue06]

PLEASE... not the back alley myth

One of the founders of the National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws -- NARAL -- later renamed National Abortion Rights Action League would later admit that he and other pro-abortion activists lied through their teeth about that and a whole slew of things in order to get abortions accepted.

In spite of claims that between 5000 and 10,000 women died each year from illegal abortions a study conducted by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) revealed that only 39 women died from illegal abortions in 1972 the year before Roe v. Wade.

Supporters of abortion argue that if abortions were illegal nothing would change except that women would be forced to seek back-alley abortions but what we see in Poland demonstrates this is not true. For example, when the Russians left Poland that country’s religious and humanitarian traditions resurfaced. In the 1980s there were around 100,000 abortions each year. By 1990 this figure dropped to 59,417. In 1993 Poland banned abortion except in cases of rape, incest or disability and in the following year only 782 babies were legally aborted^[1] (and no one at all died from an illegal abortion).

Further, illegal abortions is virtually unheard of in Poland those who want one that isn't covered by the law simply travel outside the country. And in spite of claims of "tens of thousands" of Polish women leaving the country to get an abortion actual statistics place the number in the low hundreds^[2]. It's what happened in the U.S. all over again. Tell outrageous lies about how many abortions are taking place in order to build up support.














1. With statistics available going up through 2014 the number has remained below a thousand abortions a year (except for 1997)

2. 168 in 2012, 218 in 2013 and 213 in 2014.

[Jedidiah]

“[Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin vetoed a unprecedented bill Friday that would have made it a felony for physicians to perform abortions in the state, saying the proposed law would not survive the inevitable legal challenges against it.]”

Sad that.

[firstfloor]

Only among those who are foolish enough to be at war with Him.

There might be people who are at war with your God but not at war with God generally. A minister of the church has to preach a God that is acceptable to his congregation or he will not have one. People will vote with their feet for the sort of God they are willing to live with.

And I know that you think there is only one God – what a piece of godly egocentric foolishness.

BTW, the new Mayor of London is a Muslim and The Honourable Company of Edinburgh Golfers recently voted to remain a men only club and so lost the chance to host The Open on the Muirfield links at Gullane.

[Teallaura]

How can it possibly be unconstitutional? Are they invoking the clause about forcibly quartering troops in your home???

False criticism invariably does more harm than good.

If Roe is constitutional, this wouldn't be.

But Roe is a load of legal dog doo, so...