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  • Rushing Jaws
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    Originally posted by QuantaFille View Post

    When someone asks you if God can make a rock so big he can't lift it, you ask them back, "would a deity, in order to be considered all powerful, have to be able to accomplish the illogical?" If they say no, that's the end of it. If they say yes, you say, "Then yes, God is able to make a rock so big, he can't lift it." Then when they say "Aha! Something God can't do!", you reply with, "But he can lift a rock too big for him to lift, since he is all powerful he can accomplish the illogical."
    God is not bound by His creation. Possibility is a creation of God.

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  • Rushing Jaws
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    Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    Any more ethical dilemmas? Feel free to create third options, but some would consider that to be cheating.
    Two words: Kobayashi Maru.

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  • Cerebrum123
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    Originally posted by QuantaFille View Post

    When someone asks you if God can make a rock so big he can't lift it, you ask them back, "would a deity, in order to be considered all powerful, have to be able to accomplish the illogical?" If they say no, that's the end of it. If they say yes, you say, "Then yes, God is able to make a rock so big, he can't lift it." Then when they say "Aha! Something God can't do!", you reply with, "But he can lift a rock too big for him to lift, since he is all powerful he can accomplish the illogical."

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  • QuantaFille
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    Originally posted by The Lone Stranger View Post
    Putting the lifeboat question on Jesus is a bit like the "can God make a rock bigger than he can lift? question. Any way you answer it's a setup for problems.
    When someone asks you if God can make a rock so big he can't lift it, you ask them back, "would a deity, in order to be considered all powerful, have to be able to accomplish the illogical?" If they say no, that's the end of it. If they say yes, you say, "Then yes, God is able to make a rock so big, he can't lift it." Then when they say "Aha! Something God can't do!", you reply with, "But he can lift a rock too big for him to lift, since he is all powerful he can accomplish the illogical."

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  • Christianbookworm
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    Nah. Just a pointless scenario. That other question is an illogical statement. Might as well ask if God can make a square circle. Nothing illogical about Jesus being able to do a miracle to solve the problem.

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  • The Lone Stranger
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    Putting the lifeboat question on Jesus is a bit like the "can God make a rock bigger than he can lift? question. Any way you answer it's a setup for problems.

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  • Christianbookworm
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    Yep! It would be more realistic for there to be a debate about who gets to make the ultimate sacrifice.

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  • Rushing Jaws
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    To exclude the possibility of self-sacrifice by one of them, is as artificial as positing that one of them may be a superhero. More artificial in fact; because people are capable of self-sacrifice, and quite often do sacrifice themselves for others. So the problem is inherently unreal.

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  • Christianbookworm
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    Of course not. Jesus wouldn't be scared of any mere storm. Even if it was a category five hurricane! He wouldn't be scared by a horror movie ever!

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  • Mr.Kott
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    Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    Just because He was sleeping in that one instance doesn't mean He'd be asleep in the hypothetical lifeboat scenario. He sure wasn't sleeping when He was walking on the water towards His disciples. It was stormy then also.

    My point was to show that Jesus wasn't worried in that scenario... so He would not be worried in the hypothetical one [in the OP] either.

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  • Christianbookworm
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    Originally posted by Mr.Kott View Post
    He would have been asleep. Mark 4:38 -- And he was in the hinder part of the ship, asleep on a pillow: and they awake him, and say unto him, Master, carest thou not that we perish?
    Just because He was sleeping in that one instance doesn't mean He'd be asleep in the hypothetical lifeboat scenario. He sure wasn't sleeping when He was walking on the water towards His disciples. It was stormy then also.

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  • Mr.Kott
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    Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    How would Jesus solve the lifeboat problem(the one with an overcrowded lifeboat that's sinking)?
    He would have been asleep. Mark 4:38 -- And he was in the hinder part of the ship, asleep on a pillow: and they awake him, and say unto him, Master, carest thou not that we perish?

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  • Christianbookworm
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    Thank you, CP, for cleaning up the fundy atheist vomit! It stunk!

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  • Christianbookworm
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    Well, now that some idiot bumped my thread by barfing on it, anyone want to continue discussing ethical dilemma thought experiments? Are there any with an obvious third option to a false dilemma?

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