Nudism and Clothing

[Cerealman]

Then why are you here citing Scripture in an attempt to condemn it?

Every thing I've is against the nudist view of nudity and your OP which clearly didn't know the full definition of nudity.
Secondly there are many wrongs that God uses good(punishment/gifts/etc.) that would include nudity but that doesn't mean it was then after that action A-okay for everyone to do.

[Cerealman]

This is false. I never claimed sin is avoidable.
Some people get tempted when looking at delicious food. This could lead to gluttony - and gluttony is a sin.

You don't claim sin is avoidable then you clearly didn't read up on everything Christian naturism states.

[Cerealman]

I don't expect you know everything about anything automatically but at least know their claims.

[foudroyant]

Every thing I've is against the nudist view of nudity and your OP which clearly didn't know the full definition of nudity.
Secondly there are many wrongs that God uses good(punishment/gifts/etc.) that would include nudity but that doesn't mean it was then after that action A-okay for everyone to do.

Besides situations that I pointed out in Post #29....

Zero Scriptures that forbid its willing practice of it at ANY TIME.
To put it another way, the Bible does not ever condemn the willing practice of it.

[foudroyant]

Christian nudism believes sin can be avoided when were all naked, that's enough right there to not persuade me.

Why?

Public bathing took place. Otherwise how could David see Bathsheba? He was condemned for his sins. She was never condemned for bathing where someone else could see her.
Another thing, the Israelites traveled 40 years together in the wilderness. That's a whole lot of time with over a million people. Do you really think they were concerned about such things when it came time to bathe? There were no private bathing places and there were no private bathrooms. They did have public use of lakes and rivers.

[Cerealman]

Why?

Public bathing took place. Otherwise how could David see Bathsheba? He was condemned for his sins. She was never condemned for bathing where someone else could see her.
Another thing, the Israelites traveled 40 years together in the wilderness. That's a whole lot of time with over a million people. Do you really think they were concerned about such things when it came time to bathe? There were no private bathing places and there were no private bathrooms. They did have public use of lakes and rivers.

Were talking about nudists not being nude to take showers.
Yet along your assumptions popping up again instead of thorns and mosquitos this time whether the Israelites cared if they bathed together or not. If you can only assume such a thing don't even bring it up.

[Cerealman]

Besides situations that I pointed out in Post #29....

Zero Scriptures that forbid its willing practice of it at ANY TIME.
To put it another way, the Bible does not ever condemn the willing practice of it.

And now I'm sure you accept sin is avoidable as Christian nudists see it.
The zero scriptures game hu? First assumptions now this?
The nudity in the garden was innocence clearly something none of us have if you can't even understand all that "Christian" nudity teaches why even bring it up? Have you accepted sin is avoidable yes or no.

[foudroyant]

Were talking about nudists not being nude to take showers.
Yet along your assumptions popping up again instead of thorns and mosquitos this time whether the Israelites cared if they bathed together or not. If you can only assume such a thing don't even bring it up.

Do you really believe with over a million people there were private bathrooms and bathing facilities?

[foudroyant]

And now I'm sure you accept sin is avoidable as Christian nudists see it.
The zero scriptures game hu? First assumptions now this?
The nudity in the garden was innocence clearly something none of us have if you can't even understand all that "Christian" nudity teaches why even bring it up? Have you accepted sin is avoidable yes or no.

It's not a game man. Don't blame me if you don't have any Scriptural support for your position.

[Catholicity]

Also I have something against my children being forced to look at other people's genitals and/or breasts in the case of women. Considering there are a number of perverts out there, its something to be kept covered. Something about general politeness.
You don't get the right to look at anyone you wish. Unless you really like porn, and then its all fake..... By the way, has anyone ever told you your a misogynistic pervert?

[foudroyant]

Ok hide your kids from how disgusting the human body is.
Better burn those human anatomy books while you're at it.

Some womyn who do not know the facts have accused me of that before in the USA....but not ladies from elsewhere because they act normal.

[Cerealman]

Also I have something against my children being forced to look at other people's genitals and/or breasts in the case of women. Considering there are a number of perverts out there, its something to be kept covered. Something about general politeness.
You don't get the right to look at anyone you wish. Unless you really like porn, and then its all fake..... By the way, has anyone ever told you your a misogynistic pervert?

Well if those perverts are naked then they can avoid sin.

[Cerealman]

It's not a game man. Don't blame me if you don't have any Scriptural support for your position.

I've already stated mine you don't understand Christian naturism,the definition of nudity as seen in your op, and comments such thorns not being mentioned before the fall. What verse is that statement from again? Tell me more about the millions of animals that didn't exist before the fall because they weren't mentioned.
Whenever you're ready to accept Christian naturism and that sin is avoidable I'll be waiting.

[Cerealman]

Do you really believe with over a million people there were private bathrooms and bathing facilities?

Besides the fact you sure do enjoy asserting(million/thorns/mosquitots) I highly doubt there were a million jews in the desert but I guess that's just your asserting ways rubbing off on me.
And once again you have to be nude to bath but does not make you a nudist. I already that before in an earlier post. I'll say it again you have to be naked to bath but it doesn't make you a nudist.

[TimelessTheist]

While coming very close to being a Christian Nudist I am wondering what standards those that don't believe in it employ in determining several areas when it comes to the nudity/clothing issue:

1. Do you think it is ok for women to wear shorts and/or skirts? Is a certain length unacceptable?
2. Is it ok for a women to go to the beach in a bikini? What about a one piece suit? Or should they not go at all? Should they swim fully clothed? Are sports bras unacceptable?
3. Is it ok for a man to walk around shirtless? What if he is exercising?... or doing laborious outside work? What if the temperature is soaring? - Why is it often ok for a man to be shirtless in public but not ok for a woman to be shirtless in public?
4. Do you think it is ok or wrong for a woman to breastfeed their baby in public? Should they fully cover themselves up?
5. Is the statue of Michelangelo "David" offensive? Why/why not? - If not, then why would it be offensive if men walked around undressed like that?

I think perhaps the only thing right now that keeps me from totally embracing Christian Nudism is that I wouldn't want to sit in places where a fully nude person was previously sitting. I think that would be skeevy.

So, foudy's finally come full circle, hasn't he?