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Somehow, I've noticed that none of the people who try to make all Proverbs universal prescriptions for behavior seem to quote Proverbs 17:8. My view is that Proverbs often tells what practically happens, not what we have to do.
(I am not inherently opposed to corporal punishment FWIW.)
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Originally posted by Rushing Jaws View Post## If the premise is that Proverbs 13.24, 19.18 & //s are timeless, universally, and eternally valid Divine precepts on child-rearing, I think that premise is extremely doubtful. That something may work in Ancient Israel, is no kind of reason to think it will or must work equally well in other societies with very different cultures. The brutality dealt out to children has been horrendous.Last edited by Abigail; 02-12-2015, 04:28 AM.
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Originally posted by Catholicity View PostNo I didn't fail to deal with them, at least I thought I didn't. The first one Prov. 23:13 Do not withhold discipline from a child;
if you punish them with the rod, they will not die.
I agree, don't withhold discipline. Punish I.E. Correct with a Shebet or Guiding staff, it does not say hit beat spank hurt, or whip. How do you punish with a Guide Staff as a Shepherd over a flock of sheep? You would Thrust it in the middle of a pasture, in the ground, and toward the head of the sheep not striking them but moving them to turn around.
Second Verse: Proverbs 29:15
A rod and a reprimand impart wisdom, but a child left undisciplined disgraces its mother.
I would still and argue for the Shepherding discipline and correction. I would also again point out that its not a demand for physical discipline. Do children need correction for wrongdoing? Yup! Do they need their "hides tanned" for having an opinion or expressing frustration, NO!
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Originally posted by Epoetker View Post
(Obligatory non-discriminatory disclaimer: Obviously this advice will change based on how relatively mentally developed the race is, black people have traditionally been the most reliable advocates of corporal punishment often well into adulthood, whereas Asians have to fear more familial dread based on the extra capacity of Tiger Moms and pops for crushing any hints of laziness. To each their own.)
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"The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so [do] stripes the inward parts of the belly." -- Proverbs 20:30.
"Withhold not correction from the child: for [if] thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die." -- Proverbs 23:13.
"Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell[nether world]." -- Proverbs 23:14.
"Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying." -- Proverbs 19:18.
"In the lips of him that hath understanding wisdom is found: but a rod [is] for the back of him that is void of understanding." -- Proverbs 10:13.
"He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes[early]. -- Proverbs 13:24.
"Foolishness [is] bound in the heart of a child; [but] the rod of correction shall drive it far from him." -- Proverbs 22:15.
The law has changed, from not breaking the skin, to prohibiting any kind of physical spanking. Making physical biblical discipline illegal.
Biblical physical discipline was never to be done out of anger. But always out of compassion and love.Last edited by 37818; 12-20-2014, 09:51 PM.
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The amount of physical punishment you give children is going to depend both on age and effectiveness. There is usually an age beyond when it's simply not effective for getting your larger points across, and you have to go for other means of punishment (grounding/de-allowancing/other means of checking his relatedness privileges.) If you haven't learned to lecture yet, start learning. Better yet, get your husband to do it once the kids reach teenage-hood.
(Obligatory non-discriminatory disclaimer: Obviously this advice will change based on how relatively mentally developed the race is, black people have traditionally been the most reliable advocates of corporal punishment often well into adulthood, whereas Asians have to fear more familial dread based on the extra capacity of Tiger Moms and pops for crushing any hints of laziness. To each their own.)
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Originally posted by Catholicity View PostWow!!! Ya point out what you think, go back and redo it, make the case you have, and get accused of a strawman, and logical fallacy by someone who is a biblical literalist and has ONE way of reading scripture. that's great, and classic. Especially of narrow minded thinkers.
1. Biblical literalist- patently false
2. One way of reading Scripture- not even sure what you mean by that but it appears to be a regurgitation of number one which is patently false
3. Narrow minded thinker - just an out of bounds (not referring to rules but to the thread context) personal attack that I would love to see supported
I supported my charge of the two fallacies and would gladly do so again - others here have noted the same two fallacies-- maybe they are just narrow inded Biblical literalists tooLast edited by Darth Xena; 05-06-2014, 11:49 AM.
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Still would LOVE to hear your defense of your ad hom attacks there. Quite personal them.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postyup. While I didn't like being spanked, I REALLY hated being lectured by my mom. I used to tell her to just spank me and get it over with!
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Originally posted by Just Some Dude View PostI'll also agree with the person who said different punishments for different children..
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I was spanked as a child. All of the elder siblings in my family were. The younger ones weren't. I have no nightmares or repressed horror stories about being spanked. In fact, I still think that the reason some of the younger ones have had bratty streaks is because they weren't belted.
I'll also agree with the person who said different punishments for different children. Certainly was true in my family growing up.
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Originally posted by Catholicity View PostWow you took me way out of context didn't you....
What is wrong with you lately? When we've disagreed in the SB lately you've behaved very defensively and irrationally, as though you don't want to acknowledge any critiques of the views you're espousing. At the end of the second exchange with me, you said something to the extent that I was talking to you like you were an "idiot", and you said something similar after your exchange here in this thread with DDW.
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