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Dave's Divorce Derail

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  • #16
    Or if it takes the place of abandonment. It strikes me as legalistic to insist that a woman whose husband went out to buy cigarettes ten years ago and never returned stay legally married.

    My understanding is that in Roman society, that would constitute a divorce in itself, which makes sense of Paul saying "no longer bound". I suspect a lot of the modern church debate is importing ideas that weren't intended in Scripture.
    Last edited by KingsGambit; 01-12-2022, 05:09 PM.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
      Or if it takes the place of abandonment. It strikes me as legalistic to insist that a woman whose husband went out to buy cigarettes ten years ago and never returned stay legally married.

      My understanding is that in Roman society, that would constitute a divorce in itself, which makes sense of Paul saying "no longer bound". I suspect a lot of the modern church debate is importing ideas that weren't intended in Scripture.
      It's interesting that Jesus was actually squaring off with the Pharisees about their own rules and regs (really hammers down on them in Matt 23), and from that, we get a very legalistic interpretation of what Jesus was saying.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Dave L View Post

        But they all commit adultery when they remarry. What you are missing is fornication was a capital offense ending in death. Since this did not happen, all ended up committing adultery.
        They do? Don't you mean your God forces them to fornicate and commit adultery and remarry? Because they have no free will according to you and must do what God forces them to do.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Dave L View Post

          There is no divorce allowance in the New Covenant. It is unforgiveness and a damnable sin. Your church seems to allow for Divorce and remarriage based on Matthew 19:9 which means they promote adultery. They all do in my area.
          Why do you care? They're just doing what your God requires them to do without their free will.
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          • #20
            Moderated By: Bill the Cat

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            • #21
              In Matthew 19:9, the man who marries the woman divorced by an adulterous husband commits adultery. This means the woman does too. You cannot get around this. I only derail "Christians" and "Churches" that allow for divorce and remarriage based on the "except clause" of Matthew 19:9. Can you prove me wrong? Continue with your insults if you cannot.

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              • #22
                “So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.” Romans 7:3 (KJV 1900)

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                • #23
                  “And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.” Matthew 19:9 (KJV 1900)

                  Her husband committed adultery and she does too when the new husband marries her.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Dave L View Post
                    “So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.” Romans 7:3 (KJV 1900)
                    What's with the giant font, Dave?

                    This reminds me of the preacher who put a note in the margin of his sermon manuscript -- "weak point - YELL LOUDER".
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                      Worse - Dave accuses others of "supporting adultery" based on his own judgmental assumptions and conclusions.
                      He does NOT take Carter to task for outright SAYING things contrary to the Word of God.
                      “For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.” Romans 7:2–3 (KJV 1900)

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                        Jesus specifically said that divorce is allowed in cases of infidelity. If you are denying that then you are calling Jesus a liar. And I would argue that abusing one's spouse is a form of infidelity.
                        “For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.” Romans 7:2–3 (KJV 1900)

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                          The OT "provision" was modified by Jesus. It stands as such.
                          Point out where Jesus modified Moses in Matthew 19:9.

                          “For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.” Romans 7:2–3 (KJV 1900)

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                          • #28
                            Did anyone notice that the blame for the divorced woman's adultery falls on the man who divorced her?
                            1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
                            "It's bigger inside" might work for a TARDIS - it doesn't work for a bronze sea.

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                            • #29
                              Has anyone considered the title of this thread? And the Derail LIE it promotes? I started the original thread and am now called a "derailer" because I post to it! How can I derail my own thread by contributing to it? Don't trust this bunch who sympathizes with heart-rending concerns as any Con-Man would.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Dave L View Post
                                Has anyone considered the title of this thread? And the Derail LIE it promotes? I started the original thread and am now called a "derailer" because I post to it! How can I derail my own thread by contributing to it? Don't trust this bunch who sympathizes with heart-rending concerns as any Con-Man would.
                                So, as I predicted, you're here to poke Christians in the eye, then get all flustered about it, and either get banned or kicked out so you can boast about what a horrible group we are, and you're the innocent victim.

                                You need professional help, Dave.
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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