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I'll be skipping the red kettles henceforth

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by tabibito View Post
    Easy enough to check - head for a red kettle and see if anyone is asking you to make the apology.
    And just to play it safe, make sure any bills you might contribute include "LET'S GO BRANDON" on them.

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  • tabibito
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    Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

    That's another thing -- From the bits I read, it did not seem as though the SA was going to make it a "thing" for donors or passers-by. I've never even known the kettle-minders to try to evangelize. I got the impression they were directing it to persons who are members of, or associate with, the SA.
    The International Positional Statement on Racism (PDF) was released four years ago, and cited in the linked article - it seems doubtful that they would have backed away from it without an update.

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  • NorrinRadd
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    Originally posted by tabibito View Post

    Easy enough to check - head for a red kettle and see if anyone is asking you to make the apology.
    That's another thing -- From the bits I read, it did not seem as though the SA was going to make it a "thing" for donors or passers-by. I've never even known the kettle-minders to try to evangelize. I got the impression they were directing it to persons who are members of, or associate with, the SA.

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  • tabibito
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    Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
    Fox and Friends caught wind of the topic and the hosts have been stumbling around trying to address it. It's clear they only read an article asserting SA has gone woke, and the rejoinder SA posted, not any of the specific controversial documents. I have not read the documents in toto, but just checking the quotes in the DW hit piece was enough to recognize DW was not using them particularly honestly, and certainly not charitably. Not having read all relevant docs totally, it's possible DW does have a point, but the evidence they constructed doesn't properly make it.
    Easy enough to check - head for a red kettle and see if anyone is asking you to make the apology.

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  • NorrinRadd
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    Fox and Friends caught wind of the topic and the hosts have been stumbling around trying to address it. It's clear they only read an article asserting SA has gone woke, and the rejoinder SA posted, not any of the specific controversial documents. I have not read the documents in toto, but just checking the quotes in the DW hit piece was enough to recognize DW was not using them particularly honestly, and certainly not charitably. Not having read all relevant docs totally, it's possible DW does have a point, but the evidence they constructed doesn't properly make it.

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  • tabibito
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    Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

    (Would that I could achieve such subtlety.)

    So - when they declare claims that they believe their "donors should apologize for their own racism" outrageous, it is entirely believable that the claims are false.
    NorrinRadd you can donate to red kettle with no qualms, that report was a lie.
    Thanks for pointing that out. On closer inspection, they do use direct quotes from a couple of different SA publications, which are linked in the DW article, but they take them out of context and stitch them together in a dishonest and deceptive way.

    I posted a correction on my FB page, and challenged the article at the DW page on FB. We'll see what kinds of responses ensue.[/QUOTE]

    I sent DW a similar note. Hopefully, they'll post a correction.

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  • NorrinRadd
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    Originally posted by tabibito View Post

    Also sad that the media chooses to pretend that lies are fact.

    The Salvoes positional statement on racism is quite enlightening:

    [box]Racism is manifest in the tendency to
    stereotype and marginalise whole segments
    of populations who are perceived as inferior,
    or, in some cases, a threat.
    (Would that I could achieve such subtlety.)

    So - when they declare claims that they believe their "donors should apologize for their own racism" outrageous, it is entirely believable that the claims are false.
    NorrinRadd you can donate to red kettle with no qualms, that report was a lie.[/QUOTE]

    Thanks for pointing that out. On closer inspection, they do use direct quotes from a couple of different SA publications, which are linked in the DW article, but they take them out of context and stitch them together in a dishonest and deceptive way.

    I posted a correction on my FB page, and challenged the article at the DW page on FB. We'll see what kinds of responses ensue.

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  • Teallaura
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    Originally posted by tabibito View Post

    Also sad that the media chooses to pretend that lies are fact.

    The Salvoes positional statement on racism is quite enlightening:

    [box]Racism is manifest in the tendency to
    stereotype and marginalise whole segments
    of populations who are perceived as inferior,
    or, in some cases, a threat.
    (Would that I could achieve such subtlety.)

    So - when they declare claims that they believe their "donors should apologize for their own racism" outrageous, it is entirely believable that the claims are false.
    NorrinRadd you can donate to red kettle with no qualms, that report was a lie.[/QUOTE]



    This one really bothered me. Thanks!

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  • tabibito
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

    Yeah, I found likewise. Sad, really.
    Also sad that the media chooses to pretend that lies are fact.

    The Salvoes positional statement on racism is quite enlightening:

    [box]Racism is manifest in the tendency to
    stereotype and marginalise whole segments
    of populations who are perceived as inferior,
    or, in some cases, a threat.[/quote]

    (Would that I could achieve such subtlety.)

    So - when they declare claims that they believe their "donors should apologize for their own racism" outrageous, it is entirely believable that the claims are false.
    NorrinRadd you can donate to red kettle with no qualms, that report was a lie.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by tabibito View Post

    Official from the Salvoes:

    Though we remain committed to serving everyone in need—regardless of their beliefs, their backgrounds, or their lifestyle—recently some individuals and groups have attempted to mislabel our organization to serve their own agenda(s). They have made outrageous claims that we believe our donors should apologize for their own racism, that The Salvation Army believes America is an inherently racist society, and that our organization has abandoned its beliefs for one ideology or another. In fact, an online petition is asking supporters to “stand against the insertion of politically charged racial ideologies into The Salvation Army’s good work.”

    Nov 25, 2021 https://www.salvationarmyusa.org/usn...pic-of-racism/
    Yeah, I found likewise. Sad, really.

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  • tabibito
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

    OK, trying to discredit this, but it all seems legit.
    Official from the Salvoes:

    Though we remain committed to serving everyone in need—regardless of their beliefs, their backgrounds, or their lifestyle—recently some individuals and groups have attempted to mislabel our organization to serve their own agenda(s). They have made outrageous claims that we believe our donors should apologize for their own racism, that The Salvation Army believes America is an inherently racist society, and that our organization has abandoned its beliefs for one ideology or another. In fact, an online petition is asking supporters to “stand against the insertion of politically charged racial ideologies into The Salvation Army’s good work.”

    Nov 25, 2021 https://www.salvationarmyusa.org/usn...pic-of-racism/

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
    Salvation Army goes woketard.

    The charity is asking its white donors to do more than just drop some coins into the kettle when they go shopping this holiday season. Leaders of the Army want whites to apologize for being racist.
    OK, trying to discredit this, but it all seems legit.

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  • tabibito
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    Welcome to America the English Speaking World in the 2020s
    FIFY - nc

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by tabibito View Post
    So - people are being asked to apologise for doing things they never did and never approved ... what an interesting concept.
    Welcome to America in the 2020s

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  • tabibito
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    So - people are being asked to apologise for doing things they never did and never approved ... what an interesting concept.

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