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    How does the Liberty U. lawsuit comport with 1 Cor. 6:1-11?
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    I imagine that passage only applies to Christians.

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      I agree this appears to be a violation of this passage, though I wonder what would happen if Christians widely followed it. Likely unscrupulous businessmen would be posing as Christians to defraud Christians, sort of like how a few people have robbed the Amish knowing they won't resist.


      I have heard some Christians say that if one party isn't acting like a Christian, then it doesn't apply. That doesn't make sense. If we're talking lawsuits, then by definition, at least one party is going to be acting poorly to begin with; so in that case, there would be no need for Paul to issue that warning.

      JP Holding wrote about this passage here, and argued it does not apply to modern Christians necessarily: https://www.tektonics.org/af/brotherlaw.php (I don't necessarily agree; one thing that is noted is that lawsuits would bring shame on the faith. A very public lawsuit like this, which is closely being watched throughout the nation, certainly brings shame on Christianity. Falwell's abhorrent behavior in recent years has been shameful enough.)
      "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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        Originally posted by Faber View Post
        I imagine that passage only applies to Christians.
        Which of the parties is/are not in that category?
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        "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

        Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
          How does the Liberty U. lawsuit comport with 1 Cor. 6:1-11?
          This would be applicable to believers but it appears that attempts to reconcile privately resulted in Falwell stealing more money. So... courts are fine to settle this. Also I am not sure that Falwell Jr. is a Christian anyway.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

            Which of the parties is/are not in that category?
            That would be Falwell Jr. From what I have been reading, I really question whether or not he is a Christian. And apparently I am not the only one here that feels that way.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Faber View Post

              That would be Falwell Jr. From what I have been reading, I really question whether or not he is a Christian. And apparently I am not the only one here that feels that way.
              Unfortunately, the whole "sons of the fathers inheriting religious fiefdoms" doesn't seem to go so well.
              "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                I agree this appears to be a violation of this passage, though I wonder what would happen if Christians widely followed it. Likely unscrupulous businessmen would be posing as Christians to defraud Christians, sort of like how a few people have robbed the Amish knowing they won't resist.


                I have heard some Christians say that if one party isn't acting like a Christian, then it doesn't apply. That doesn't make sense. If we're talking lawsuits, then by definition, at least one party is going to be acting poorly to begin with; so in that case, there would be no need for Paul to issue that warning.

                JP Holding wrote about this passage here, and argued it does not apply to modern Christians necessarily: https://www.tektonics.org/af/brotherlaw.php (I don't necessarily agree; one thing that is noted is that lawsuits would bring shame on the faith. A very public lawsuit like this, which is closely being watched throughout the nation, certainly brings shame on Christianity. Falwell's abhorrent behavior in recent years has been shameful enough.)
                When Ken Ham's power grab at AnswersinGenesis (AiG) caused the organization to split up (with the Australian, Canadian, New Zealand, and South African branches rebranding themselves Creation Ministries International -- CMI), they tried arbitration based on the idea expressed in I Corinthians 6. Can't remember for sure but I think it ended up in court anyways.

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                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                  Unfortunately, the whole "sons of the fathers inheriting religious fiefdoms" doesn't seem to go so well.
                  I'm trying to think of an instance where it DID go well, but coming up blank.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                    I'm trying to think of an instance where it DID go well, but coming up blank.
                    Perhaps the closest would be Charles (who was also a president of the SBC at one point) and Andy Stanley of the First Baptist Church of Atlanta. While there is something about them that seems kind off off-putting, I've never heard of any sort of controversy or scandal surrounding either.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

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                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      Perhaps the closest would be Charles (who was also a president of the SBC at one point) and Andy Stanley of the First Baptist Church of Atlanta. While there is something about them that seems kind off off-putting, I've never heard of any sort of controversy or scandal surrounding either.
                      Huh. I had never heard of Andy. When Charles was divorced by his wife, the two had a falling out, but it seems they eventually patched things up.
                      Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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                        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                        Huh. I had never heard of Andy. When Charles was divorced by his wife, the two had a falling out, but it seems they eventually patched things up.
                        By way of local reputation Andy delivers excellent sermons and the like. And at least no whiff of potential scandal -- so far. But I wonder if after Charles is gone if we'll see that reflected in the sermons afterwards, although I've heard they have distinct styles...

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                          When everything quietly goes well we never hear about it.
                          "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                            Perhaps the closest would be Charles (who was also a president of the SBC at one point) and Andy Stanley of the First Baptist Church of Atlanta. While there is something about them that seems kind off off-putting, I've never heard of any sort of controversy or scandal surrounding either.
                            Actually, there was quite a bit of war between Charles and Andy.
                            "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                              Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                              When everything quietly goes well we never hear about it.
                              While true, I think things are entirely different when it reaches "stardom". I actually do know of a couple (probably more) of a son 'inheriting' his father's ministry, but in local settings - not the world stage.
                              "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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