Bill Nye denies evolution.

[Epoetker]

I'm sure Kent Hovind and Jonathan Sarfati will be looking forward to working with Bill in the coming years.

[Darth Ovious]

Are we not talking what he said out of context here?

[JonF]

Are we not talking what he said out of context here?

Not really; what Epo's doing is making stuff up and linking to an unrelated article. Bill Nye saying that humans are all the same (i.e. one species) is an affirmation of evolution.

[Darth Executor]

Not really; what Epo's doing is making stuff up and linking to an unrelated article. Bill Nye saying that humans are all the same (i.e. one species) is an affirmation of evolution.

Not all members of a species are the same. Neither are all the sub-species (IE: dogs). What Nye is saying is that a species whose populations occupy nearly every environment on this planet all somehow evolved to be identical (except for minor different traits like skin color), which is both absurd and more unscientific than creationism on the matter (creationism still acknowledges evolution within the species). The reality is that the odds that all human groups are identical on any given trait are around zero and to claim otherwise is to deny evolution.

[oxmixmudd]

Not all members of a species are the same. Neither are all the sub-species (IE: dogs). What Nye is saying is that a species whose populations occupy nearly every environment on this planet all somehow evolved to be identical (except for minor different traits like skin color), which is both absurd and more unscientific than creationism on the matter (creationism still acknowledges evolution within the species). The reality is that the odds that all human groups are identical on any given trait are around zero and to claim otherwise is to deny evolution.

Humans have developed and executed the ability to travel and colonize the entire planet over the last 100,000 years. We spread ourselves around Darth. We didn't evolve simultaneously at different places on the Earth to be effectively the same species.

Jim

[Epoetker]

Humans have developed and executed the ability to travel and colonize the entire planet over the last 100,000 years.

Which humans? Where? What was the common phenotype and genotype of those humans?

[oxmixmudd]

Which humans? Where? What was the common phenotype and genotype of those humans?

That would be an area of research. Two competing theories are 'multiregional' and 'out of Africa'. And there were, in the distant past, various forms of hominid (e.g. Neanderthal, Floresis) that were quite different. Neanderthal at least in part was absorbed by us. Floresis, as far as we know, simply died out. But the key point is we (humans) spread and merged and dominated the intelligent hominid niche - very much in line with the ToE. Darth's claim there is a serious conflict between humanity being a single species world wide and the ToE is unfounded.

Jim

[Darth Executor]

Humans have developed and executed the ability to travel and colonize the entire planet over the last 100,000 years. We spread ourselves around Darth. We didn't evolve simultaneously at different places on the Earth to be effectively the same species.

Jim

Absolutely. Rather, we started off from a similar point (how similar is also up for debate) and continued to evolve across the last 100,000 years as we spread across the planet and various populations were faced with different environments. The only requirement to belong to the same species is being able to interbreed and produce fertile offspring.

[Darth Executor]

Darth's claim there is a serious conflict between humanity being a single species world wide and the ToE

I claimed no such thing.

[oxmixmudd]

Absolutely. Rather, we started off from a similar point (how similar is also up for debate) and continued to evolve across the last 100,000 years as we spread across the planet and various populations were faced with different environments. The only requirement to belong to the same species is being able to interbreed and produce fertile offspring.

You are ignoring the slow pace of evolution and the ultimately short times any one human population (on an evolutionary scale) has actually been completely isolated.

JIm

[Darth Executor]

You are ignoring the slow pace of evolution

Evolution does not have a consistent pace. Animals (and people) faced with new environments will evolve much faster than those in a more stable ecosystem.

and the ultimately short times any one human population (on an evolutionary scale) has actually been completely isolated.

JIm

You don't need complete isolation to evolve in different directions.

[shunyadragon]

I'm sure Kent Hovind and Jonathan Sarfati will be looking forward to working with Bill in the coming years.

Ah . . . no, Bill Nye does no such thing.

[shunyadragon]

Which humans? Where? What was the common phenotype and genotype of those humans?

Considering genetic research the African homo sapiens have the common ancestor phenotype and genotype for all humans

[Darth Ovious]

To be fair he isn't denying evolution. He just said something stupid in regards to it.

[Epoetker]

You are ignoring the slow pace of evolution and the ultimately short times any one human population (on an evolutionary scale) has actually been completely isolated.

JIm

And you are ignoring the ability of civilizations to exert massive selection pressures on their human population over evolutionarily minute timescales.

So, which humans, where, phenotype, genotype, etc, developed the greatest and most focused ability to travel and colonize? Particularly within the last 500 years or so?