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  • Jeddidiah's question?

    Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
    The days in Genesis were long undefined periods of time. What is normally seen as various evolved organisms are all individual fiat creations of God. I have asked in the past how one could tell the difference between this and evolution. Evolutionists have never answered me.
    I do not believe I have seen this question from a thread in Applied Protology 201 has been asked in Natural Science 301 where evolutionists could respond.

    The answer is fairly simple, but since you are assuming a fideist approach your view is a bit slippery.

    Even though, there are different periods described by geology in the history of the earth, and these delineations are sometimes equated by theists as days of creation these delineations are not clear and distinct. Evolution is in reality a continuum of change in morphology and genetic relationships, and not distinct periods of time and species. The other issue is that the known scientific history of life on earth, also the known history of the solar system and cosmos do not in any way have any correlation to the days of Creation as described in Genesis.

    There are other issues in the history of Christianity, Creationism, and science. The issue is trying over time to Monday morning quarterbacking and trying to shoe horn Biblical Creation into science.
    Last edited by shunyadragon; 05-04-2015, 01:07 PM.
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

  • #2
    Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
    The days in Genesis were long undefined periods of time. What is normally seen as various evolved organisms are all individual fiat creations of God. I have asked in the past how one could tell the difference between this and evolution. Evolutionists have never answered me.
    I do not believe I have seen this question from a thread in Applied Protology 201 has been asked in Natural Science 301 where evolutionists could respond.
    The immediate answers are that (i) it would lead to some creatures, such as bats, whales, birds, butterflies, ostriches, existing before anything they could have evolved from either genetically or morphologically, and (ii) many plants could not have survived for a "long undefined period of time" without the animals that pollinate them or spread their seeds.

    Roy
    Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

    mikewhitney: What if the speed of light changed when light is passing through water? ... I have 3 semesters of college Physics.

    Mountain Man: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
    Mountain Man: … this is how liberals argue these days, with labels instead of ideas.

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    • #3
      The days in Genesis were long undefined periods of time. What is normally seen as various evolved organisms are all individual fiat creations of God. I have asked in the past how one could tell the difference between this and evolution. Evolutionists have never answered me.
      When a man shapes something out of clay;

      Clay.jpg

      or a tadpole morphs into a frog;

      tadpoletofrog.jpg

      they both require stages of "evolution"(change).

      If neither of the two above cause you to doubt God;

      Dinotobird.jpg

      then why would biological evolution?
      Last edited by Pytharchimedes; 05-05-2015, 06:12 PM.

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      • #4
        Actually, the raptors including rex were giant birds, and they seem to have gotten smaller. Can anyone explain that?

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        • #5
          Yeah, you must have gone off your meds. Easy explanation.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by JonF View Post
            Yeah, you must have gone off your meds. Easy explanation.
            I know a bird when I see one. Evidently, you don't.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Omniskeptical View Post
              I know a bird when I see one. Evidently, you don't.
              Wow.

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              • #8
                Jeddidiah's question, and he has failed to present his case to the environmentalists
                Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                go with the flow the river knows . . .

                Frank

                I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                • #9
                  Environmentalists ???
                  Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                    Environmentalists ???
                    Ah ha! That got your attention! Better than a two by four on a mule.
                    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                    go with the flow the river knows . . .

                    Frank

                    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                      Ah ha! That got your attention! Better than a two by four on a mule.
                      My, you are a dubious bustard.
                      Last edited by Roy; 05-16-2015, 06:17 AM.
                      Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

                      mikewhitney: What if the speed of light changed when light is passing through water? ... I have 3 semesters of college Physics.

                      Mountain Man: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
                      Mountain Man: … this is how liberals argue these days, with labels instead of ideas.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                        Ah ha! That got your attention! Better than a two by four on a mule.
                        Just waiting for something that relates to the question you say I asked.
                        Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                          Just waiting for something that relates to the question you say I asked.
                          Post #2?
                          Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

                          mikewhitney: What if the speed of light changed when light is passing through water? ... I have 3 semesters of college Physics.

                          Mountain Man: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
                          Mountain Man: … this is how liberals argue these days, with labels instead of ideas.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                            Just waiting for something that relates to the question you say I asked.
                            Even though, there are different periods described by geology in the history of the earth, and these delineations are sometimes equated by theists as days of creation these delineations are not clear and distinct. Evolution is in reality a continuum of change in morphology and genetic relationships, and not distinct periods of time and species. The other issue is that the known scientific history of life on earth, also the known history of the solar system and cosmos do not in any way have any correlation to the days of Creation as described in Genesis.

                            There are other issues in the history of Christianity, Creationism, and science. The issue is trying over time to Monday morning quarterbacking and trying to shoe horn Biblical Creation into science.

                            Originally posted by Roy

                            The immediate answers are that (i) it would lead to some creatures, such as bats, whales, birds, butterflies, ostriches, existing before anything they could have evolved from either genetically or morphologically, and (ii) many plants could not have survived for a "long undefined period of time" without the animals that pollinate them or spread their seeds.
                            The geologic and paleontological evidence is for a gradual history of our earth spanning billions of years.
                            Last edited by shunyadragon; 05-16-2015, 10:13 PM.
                            Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                            Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                            But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                            go with the flow the river knows . . .

                            Frank

                            I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                              Even though, there are different periods described by geology in the history of the earth, and these delineations are sometimes equated by theists as days of creation these delineations are not clear and distinct. Evolution is in reality a continuum of change in morphology and genetic relationships, and not distinct periods of time and species. The other issue is that the known scientific history of life on earth, also the known history of the solar system and cosmos do not in any way have any correlation to the days of Creation as described in Genesis.

                              There are other issues in the history of Christianity, Creationism, and science. The issue is trying over time to Monday morning quarterbacking and trying to shoe horn Biblical Creation into science.



                              The geologic and paleontological evidence is for a gradual history of our earth spanning billions of years.
                              If God created things in the same time frame as we see expressed in the geological, and fossil record none of this has any bearing on the issue. Because it does not gibe with your chosen interpretation of Genesis is completely irrelevant. If God gave us both creation and scripture they will not disagree if understood correctly.

                              And no, Roy, it would not lead to anything except what we see today and in the geological and fossil records.

                              Still waiting.
                              Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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