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Originally posted by rwatts View PostWhy do you think being able to form these chemicals (at least) in space, is "terribly unlikely"?
Don't put words in my mouth.
These papers suggest terribly unlikely scenarios for the supposed abiogenesis event; the one involving meteorite catalysis is very unlikely because (as is clear from the quote) the amount of organic matter from asteroid bombardment would be miniscule.
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostAnother terribly unlikely possibility.
Let us know when there's anything more.
OTOH, IF your theology crumbles if God designed the universe so that life could form of its own God given capacity (one logical interpretation of "Earth - bring forth life" in Genesis), then I can understand why such findings would not excite you and/or would be something you would wish to play down.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostDid anyone say life was 'likely' as a result of what is being discovered?
These studies suggest new possibilities, yes, but they're still on the same scale of unlikelihood as the old ones. That another group of scientists have found yet another very unlikely scenario is hardly groundbreaking news: hence my posting to let us know when there's actually anything significant.
Who knows. But if they are rare, then we may well be rare. That is a far cry from 'It is impossible(or some probability so low as to be the equivalent) for life to form via natural processes".
OTOH, IF your theology crumbles if God designed the universe so that life could form of its own God given capacity (one logical interpretation of "Earth - bring forth life" in Genesis), then I can understand why such findings would not excite you and/or would be something you would wish to play down.
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Originally posted by Paprika View Post
Don't put words in my mouth.
These papers suggest terribly unlikely scenarios for the supposed abiogenesis event; the one involving meteorite catalysis is very unlikely because (as is clear from the quote) the amount of organic matter from asteroid bombardment would be miniscule.
And I did offer more than one scenario.
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Originally posted by rwatts View PostBased on your reply, it appears I did not put words into your mouth.
And I did offer more than one scenario.
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostMy reply didn't address plausibility of formation in space but declares it doesn't matter because organic material from meteorites would be miniscule, hence whether organics are catalysed by meteorites is terribly unlikely to be the reason for abiogenesis for earth.
The rest are also terribly unlikely possibilities, as Epo pointed out.
Probability is not a problem when you have billions of years for it to happen, and whole globe to work on it.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostI haven't argued that abiogenesis hasn't happened.
Ah yes, the Time of the Gaps argument.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostYour argument is not clear, maybe not likely by natural methods considering what you call odds?, but riddled with religious bias without a constructive view of the science. Something like the lack of specific knowledge of natural origins of life demonstrates the unlikelyhood of natural origins?
No
"Probability is not a problem when you have billions of years for it to happen, and whole globe to work on it."
We don't know what happened, but there was a lot of time, which solves matters.
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostMy reply didn't address plausibility of formation in space but declares it doesn't matter because organic material from meteorites would be miniscule, hence whether organics are catalysed by meteorites is terribly unlikely to be the reason for abiogenesis for earth.
Originally posted by PaprikaThe rest are also terribly unlikely possibilities, as Epo pointed out.
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Originally posted by rwatts View Postso what words did i put in your mouth?Originally posted by rwatts View Postwhy do you think being able to form these chemicals (at least) in space, is "terribly unlikely"?
what did he point out?Originally posted by Paprika View Post
the rest are also terribly unlikely possibilities
Try reading carefully.
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Originally posted by Paprika View Post
Try reading carefully.
Nevertheless, they do continue to make progress. If this bothers you both, then you will have to keep on hoping that they will never solve all the issues Epo pointed out, and I will have to keep on hoping that they do, as time goes by.
But I do think they continue to make progress towards a possible understanding, don't you?
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