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Originally posted by Irate Canadian View PostAnti-Aging Genetic Engineering -cool
Regenerative Medicine - cool
Cryonics - not really immortality.
Nanomedicine - this is cool
Artificial Intelligence - don't think this will have your consciousness along with it
Digital Immortality - cool, but not sure how feasible
Cyborgization - If we get this far, maybe.
Originally posted by Irate Canadian View PostEven if we do manage to get one of these working, the Universe is at some point coming to a end....
Originally posted by Irate Canadian View PostProbably, but we need someway to cheapen construction of the things. We may also need to place the passengers in cryogenics for now, mainly to keep them from aging...
Originally posted by Irate Canadian View PostDepends... we're still pretty far off from doing Mind -> Tech Transfers...I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWell by your definitions none of them are necessarily absolutely immortal, they could all be destroyed. But, discounting that fact, I would definitely opt for the Nanomedicine option. All though I might add, for all we know we could already be simulated intelligences without realizing it!Originally posted by Truthseeker View PostI think Stephen Petranek said that true immortality is a statistical impossibility. One living for hundreds of years will very likely eventually die in an accident or be at-least manslaughtered. 300 years, he cited as a likely median lifespan.Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostThat's why you would need invulnerability with the immortality. Or specify the type. And make sure your superpowers don't have a weakness.Originally posted by Cerealman View PostIn the end isn't none of this "immortality? If the universe does come to an end, isn't this just extension of "life" for a really LONG time? This reminds me of the gods that are "immortal" until they die kinda thing.
Let's save the death of the universe (if it actually works that way) for after we've survived another billion years (we've got trillions before that happens).I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by phank View PostUnder the wide and starry sky
Dig the grave and let me lie.
Glad did I live and gladly die,
And I laid me down with a will.
This be the verse you grave for me;
"Here he lies where he longed to be,
Home is the sailor, home from sea,
And the hunter home from the hill."Originally posted by klaus54 View PostKinda like a Tolkien Elve...
BTW, I don't want to be immortal in this life.
K54I'm not here anymore.
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Your last post makes me think of an episode of Jackie Chan adventures. A bad guy had two of the talismans, immortality, and invulnerability. He thought that it was redundant, so traded the invulnerability one. I wish I could find the clip of what happened afterwards.
ETA: Carrik, you posted again right before I did.
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostSimply uploading your consciousness would not give you immortality or even extended life. All it would give you would be a copy of your consciousness who would get to live on without you. I'll wait for the real thing.I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by Sam View PostI did not understand the difference between AI, digital, and cyborg. Whatever lets me download into the vehicle of my choice and store many, many qubits of data.
Originally posted by Sam View PostAlso, I did not see a "The Prestige" option.I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostYour last post makes me think of an episode of Jackie Chan adventures. A bad guy had two of the talismans, immortality, and invulnerability. He thought that it was redundant, so traded the invulnerability one. I wish I could find the clip of what happened afterwards.
Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostETA: Carrik, you posted again right before I did.I'm not here anymore.
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FWIW, I realize that most Christians are going to go with "Let me die and go to heaven". I was trying to keep this non-contentious, so I purposefully left that out. For the sake of argument, if heaven wasn't an option, would you choose one of these options?
Does anyone have a different form that's not listed which they'd prefer?I'm not here anymore.
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None of these options will result in Clancy Brown coming after me with a sword to take my head off, right?"When the Western world accepted Christianity, Caesar conquered; and the received text of Western theology was edited by his lawyers…. The brief Galilean vision of humility flickered throughout the ages, uncertainly…. But the deeper idolatry, of the fashioning of God in the image of the Egyptian, Persian, and Roman imperial rulers, was retained. The Church gave unto God the attributes which belonged exclusively to Caesar."
— Alfred North Whitehead
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Just as an aside, according to the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics we may already be immortal, at least in a certain sense. Each of the many worlds contains an exact copy of each of us, accepting that experiences of each copy, which are each independently determined by the schrodinger equation, all differ. Of course, the continued existence of those other copies of us wouldn't do much for us should we die.
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Originally posted by Carrikature View PostThis is where the human/transhuman/posthuman aspect comes into play. There is a very real argument that humans can't live forever because mortality is a core aspect of what it means to be human. That said, I'm not sure I'd agree that an uploaded consciousness wouldn't be immortality. The thought experiments and questions around cyborgization, for example, ask questions like "how much of your body can you replace before it stops being your body". The only consistent answer, afaict, is that your body is your body because it's part of whatever whole your consciousness encompasses. You're no less 'you' minus a limb (or use of four limbs, or with a new limb) than you are with it. In that sense, 'you' and 'your consciousness' are identical. As long as your consciousness continues to exist, so do you. There could be some interesting discussions about how this works, though. Perhaps we should differentiate between uploading your consciousness and transferring it. Simply uploading it would make a copy and get Sam his Prestige option.
I think there are two different arguments here. Jed isn't talking about replacing parts but making a Xerox. The former you might make that argument; the later, er, not so much."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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