An interesting layman's explanation of the new research and mathematical modeling that indicates our physical existence is likely eternal.
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Big Bang not the start? Quantum theory suggests universe has existed forever
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostWhile interesting, I don't see 'existence' beyond the BB a very meaningful term since all there is as far as we are concerned, including time itself, began relative to this universe with that event. And especially Theologically. The beginning of Genesis 1 is NOT God's beginning. It is ours (this universes). God is clearly present 'before' that, and is implied to exist 'after' it. As long as THIS universe, THIS existence we live and move in 'began', then there is no conflict with scripture on that front if there is in fact 'more' than that out there.
Jim
There are many models, and some predict different beginnings and some no beginning at as the one that is the subject of this thread.
Yes an infinite cosmos with many universe is compatible with God and Creation.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThere is nothing conclusive as to whether the cosmos is finite or infinite. It remains an open unknown question. Those models like the BVG do not consider the beginning of universes as absolute beginnings, but one of many perhaps countless beginnings.
This model is quite viable and sound at present and concludes there is not likely a beginning nor ending of anything.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThere is nothing conclusive as to whether the cosmos is finite or infinite. It remains an open unknown question. Those models like the BVG do not consider the beginning of universes as absolute beginnings, but one of many perhaps countless beginnings.
This model is quite viable and sound at present and concludes there is not likely a beginning nor ending of anything.
Jim
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Originally posted by seer View PostNonsense Shuny, first the BVG theory is not in the least dated. Scientists are still looking for the gravitational waves that point to inflation. Second, my point all along is that there is no evidence for eternal matter and energy, we only have evidence for this universe, and there is no evidence that this universe is past-eternal. Just the opposite, everything points to a finite cosmos that began 15 billion years ago.
This model is quite viable and sound at present and concludes there is not likely a beginning nor ending of anything.
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Originally posted by Truthseeker View PostI am trying to remember if seer has asserted that the universe had a beginning of some sort as fact or wrote posts as though he believed that to be true. Unfortunately, you didn't cite any of his posts. You do have a problem with not citing anything, one's posts or the scientific literature.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNo problem, there is many years of history of seer and this issue. The post stands.
The argument goes back to several threads some years ago the seer argued that the BVG theory proposed that every possible universe and every possible multiverse had a finite beginning. It is true the BVG theory is a bit dated in terms cosmology models, certain aspects remain possibly valid. There are times when seer argues theories in science to prove his agenda, but in the end he rejects the science of cosmology and origins of our existence, and a lot of other science along the way.
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Originally posted by Truthseeker View PostI am trying to remember if seer has asserted that the universe had a beginning of some sort as fact or wrote posts as though he believed that to be true. Unfortunately, you didn't cite any of his posts. You do have a problem with not citing anything, one's posts or the scientific literature.
The argument goes back to several threads some years ago the seer argued that the BVG theory proposed that every possible universe and every possible multiverse had a finite beginning. It is true the BVG theory is a bit dated in terms cosmology models, certain aspects remain possibly valid. There are times when seer argues theories in science to prove his agenda, but in the end he rejects the science of cosmology and origins of our existence, and a lot of other science along the way.Last edited by shunyadragon; 03-03-2015, 09:11 PM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI brought this up again for seer's benefit. All the questions concerning the origins of our universe are not answered yet. Only some models describe our universe having a beginning of any kind, and then again, none of these models describe the Big Bang as an absolute beginning.
It is seer that needs to stop fantasizing that science describes our universe as a known beginning.
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I brought this up again for seer's benefit. All the questions concerning the origins of our universe are not answered yet. Only some models describe our universe having a beginning of any kind, and then again, none of these models describe the Big Bang as an absolute beginning.
It is seer that needs to stop fantasizing that science describes our universe as a known beginning.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostSo brave, shunya. Get ready to duck.
Is this the item you were referring to:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/big-bang-no...orever-1487517
I consider the research that our universe is expanding through an infinite and eternal Quantum World or Matrix, which is the same Matrix that surrounds the universe in a multiverse. This Multiverse could possible be one of an infinite number of Multiverses.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
Is this the item you were referring to:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/big-bang-no...orever-1487517
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