Materialists: Contradictions and Hypocrisy

[HMS_Beagle]

Tell me truthfully, R06, is it that the concept of reading comprehension eludes you?

The PRECISE title of of this thread contains the words "Contradictions and Hypocrisy". My point - clear to anyone that is sober and normal - was that the Materialist/Darwinist CANNOT live his/her life consistently within their main principles.

A sick, old, feeble, unable to reproduce individual is w-o-r-t-h-l-e-s-s in a Darwinian world. (S)he is "unfit", "unable to compete", "disadvantaged" ... etc ... in that Darwinian world.

Poor . Still too stupid to get that in a social species like humans one can still contribute to the overall reproductive success of the population without reproducing yourself. Being the selfish turd that he is doesn't understand altruism. His brain has never considered the idea that those past reproductive age can still help with the children, or with food gathering / preparation. Wise elders may also pass on a lifetime's accumulated knowledge to the younger generations to help them better survive.

Thankfully reality isn't constrained by 's inability to understand it.

[TheLurch]

The PRECISE title of of this thread contains the words "Contradictions and Hypocrisy". My point - clear to anyone that is sober and normal - was that the Materialist/Darwinist CANNOT live his/her life consistently within their main principles.

Where's it written that ethical principles must derive from scientific knowledge?

[Boxing Pythagoras]

Where's it written that ethical principles must derive from scientific knowledge?

I asked this same question, back in the third post of the thread. I haven't really gotten a clear response, yet.

[rogue06]

So you missed your chance to bow down before one of your Darwin Prophets.


Or perhaps you would have used your pom-poms for a ROOT FOR DARWIN chant.


Bwahahahaha!!!

Jorge

Never been a big fan of Dawkins. I was just surprised that I didn't hear about it. Went with a few friends in the early 80s and heard Stephen Jay Gould give a talk at KSU. A good friend of mine, who only recently abandoned the YEC position, and I still argue over what he said

[klaus54]

Have you forgotten this post?

No, I haven't. Apparent YOU have because the JorMeister is slinging the same old hash. And it gets more greasy each time.

K54

[rwatts]

A sick, old, feeble, unable to reproduce individual is w-o-r-t-h-l-e-s-s in a Darwinian world. (S)he is "unfit", "unable to compete", "disadvantaged" ... etc ... in that Darwinian world. ONLY by invoking something OUTSIDE of that Darwinian universe - i.e., a universe where the unfit are not discarded - can such an individual expect to receive care and thus survive. THAT'S the contradiction and hypocrisy that I am speaking of.

Why is that the Darwinian world Jorge?

This must the the Biblical Creationist world:-

Snuff out about 10 million Americans before Christmas

Male gynecologists are perverts

Send the evil wife back to her abusive husband

This surely is what happens when you obey the Bible to the letter?

[David Hayward]

I have long maintained that Materialists (this includes Atheists, Humanists and certain Theistic Evolutionists) absolutely cannot live their in a consistent fashion. In other words, they will preach one set of Materialistic "principles" (such as Darwinism) while living their lives - or at least wanting to live their lives - according to a different set that contradicts Materialism/Darwinism.

In a nutshell, the primary reason for this contradiction/hypocrisy is that the world that Materialists preach isn't one that any sane human being would want to live in. Give them some credit, Materialists may be a lot of bad things but they aren't totally stupid!

Once again I found the guy who is certainly amongst the most well-known Materialists in the world today - Richard Dawkins - supporting my point and then some. Here's what ol' Richard said:

“What we need is a truly anti-Darwinian society… in the sense that we don’t wish to live in a society where the weakest go to the wall, where the strongest suppress the weak, and even kill the weak. We — I, at least — do not wish to live in that kind of society. I want to live in the sort of society where we take care of the sick, where we take care of the weak, take care of the oppressed, which is a very anti-Darwinian society.” Richard Dawkins Lecture at Kennesaw State University, November 21, 2014.

As I said, Dawkins may be many bad things - a hypocrite that lives and promotes a contradiction being just one - but he is not totally clueless. He wants his Materialistic world, free to do as he pleases without any restraints, but when the chips are down and the illnesses and troubles of old age begin to take their toll on his wretched body, he then wants a CHRISTIAN world firmly in place to care for him. His own Materialistic world would summarily shove him into a ditch for being a "useless eater", weak and sick, unable to compete, unable to produce offspring, unfit for the Darwinian struggle for life.

Darwinian Hypocrite!!! And in this he is far, very far, from being alone.

Jorge

I'll agree very broadly with this OP, but quibble on a specific: if you look at the sources of the coloured quotation, to find its context, you should find that Dawkins is warning against what is known as "Social Darwinism"; this has nothing to do with Darwinism, or with Dawkins' Neo-Darwinism, except by analogy, and (almost) nobody supports it nowadays; it had already been thoroughly discredited by Dawkins' childhood. There has been no indication that Dawkins has ever given the slightest credence or support to Social Darwinism, and the coloured quotation shows Dawkins is highly critical of it.

The sources I have found for the quotation -- these seem to have not yet been linked, perhaps I overlooked the links -- are: Inquisitr and Raw Story.

I see that Dawkins (and a few other prominent atheists likewise) briefly states his general values here.