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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostSorry. Your use of the term 'pet theories' led me to infer this. My apologies.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Back to the OP. Do we really need to let this thread go?Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostIt seems that there's a natural law that states that whenever someone opens a thread in the NatSci forum about any science topic, atheists here will eventually make it about evolution vs creationism.
Shuny has made the assumption that Seer started this thread for theological reasons, specifically to undermine science (haha, look the stupid scientists got it wrong again), and by implication evolution, and thus promote creationism.
Hopefully Seer will tell us if he sees this as evidence of science doing what science does best; that is, being open to alternative ideas, being tentative, being self-correcting. Of course if Shuny is right, then Seer sees it as evidence of science failing, and Seer will not want to say this is a good example of science doing well. We can wait and see.My Blog: http://oncreationism.blogspot.co.uk/
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If it turns out that the Higgs is not the particle they though it was it is a terrible shame for Peter Higgs and the Swedish Academy. Physics will carry on as usual “peeling the onion”.
"for the theoretical discovery of a mechanism that contributes to our understanding of the origin of mass of subatomic particles, and which recently was confirmed through the discovery of the predicted fundamental particle, by the ATLAS and CMS experiments at CERN’s Large Hadron Collider"“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostAnd Shuny is not an atheist.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostBack to the OP. Do we really need to let this thread go?
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/...ish-from-sight
“Conversely, when two perfectly out-of-phase solitons collide, the atoms momentarily vanish before reappearing again on either side of the collision point.”
You didn’t expect that, did you?“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostAccording to some, if you cannot name your god, you are atheist."When the Western world accepted Christianity, Caesar conquered; and the received text of Western theology was edited by his lawyers…. The brief Galilean vision of humility flickered throughout the ages, uncertainly…. But the deeper idolatry, of the fashioning of God in the image of the Egyptian, Persian, and Roman imperial rulers, was retained. The Church gave unto God the attributes which belonged exclusively to Caesar."
— Alfred North Whitehead
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostNo, you said 'atheists here'.
If I wanted to imply that (if we're to be pedantic about it) I'd have said 'the atheists here' rather than 'atheists here'. The former implies that all atheists here participated in it, which evidently is false, the other simple said that atheists on this forum did it. Which is true, neh?
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostIf it turns out that the Higgs is not the particle they though it was it is a terrible shame for Peter Higgs and the Swedish Academy. Physics will carry on as usual “peeling the onion”.
"for the theoretical discovery of a mechanism that contributes to our understanding of the origin of mass of subatomic particles, and which recently was confirmed through the discovery of the predicted fundamental particle, by the ATLAS and CMS experiments at CERN’s Large Hadron Collider"
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostThink there's enough data from the LHC to determine this or will it first be when we have the International Linear Collider that we'll get a better estimation of the case?“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostAs for the Higgs, yes, this is why we need to build the International Linear Colider to determine whether or not the particle has any spin (to be the Higgs particle its spin must be equal to zero), and do a more fine-grained investigation of its properties.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostWhat are your thoughts about the problem of building larger colliders from this interview with physicist George Ellis this last July in Scientific American?
1) The field of particle astrophysics is young and holds a lot of promise. (Particle astrophysics relies on cosmic processes to accelerate particles much higher than we could ever do on earth.)
2) Even if ever-higher energies cannot be reached, there is some benefit to building new accelerators with ever-higher intensities. This allows characterizing very rare events. In planning for new accelerators, the US has conceded the "energy frontier" to Europe (and Japan, if they ever build the ILC), and is focusing on the "intensity frontier"."Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." – Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
Still looking for rabbits in Precambrian rocks, and trying to poke holes in the science which you do not believe in. Seer, it's the pokey game, every time you try to knock one down another ten pop up.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostAccording to some, if you cannot name your god, you are atheist.
RoyJorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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