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Originally posted by Teallaura
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Read my posts completely and respond appropriately. There is no evidence that our physical existence is infinite and eternal, nor finite and temporal. I do not present an argument beyond we do not know. That is not an Argument from Ignorance, because I am not making a positive argument based on unknowns.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
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Your argument is based on 'belief,' because there is no evidence for absolute beginnings.Originally posted by seer View PostGlendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.Comment
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That is nonsense, there certainly is evidence that this universe began in a big bang. And zero evidence for anything prior to that event.Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3sComment
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I have never suggested that something more than this universe exists. I have simply said that you are wrong to claim that the Big Bang shows the universe had a temporal past boundary. Nothing in Big Bang cosmology implies that the universe began to exist with the Big Bang.Originally posted by seer View Post"[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)Comment
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Then what does the Big Bang imply?Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View PostAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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Please cite scientific evidence that the Big Bang is the absolute beginning of everything. Still waiting . . .Originally posted by seer View PostGlendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.Comment
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The beginning of inflation of the universe at 0 plank second. There is no evidence that this is an absolute beginning of everything.Originally posted by seer View PostGlendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.Comment
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Really?Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_BangThe Big Bang theory is the prevailing cosmological model for the early development of the universe.The key idea is that the universe is expanding. Consequently, the universe was denser and hotter in the past. Moreover, the Big Bang model suggests that at some moment all of space was contained in a single point, which is considered the beginning of the universe. Modern measurements place this moment at approximately 13.8 billion years ago, which is thus considered the age of the universe.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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And what existed before that?Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3sComment
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Really?!?!?! nothing here offers evidence that the Big Bang is the beginning of our physical existence. It is simply the beginning of the inflation of our universe. The Age of the present Universe does not offer any evidence that nothing existed prior to the Big Bang. Again if Steinhardt is correct the universe is cyclic, eternal and infinite. Still waiting . . .Originally posted by seer View PostGlendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.Comment
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A period of rapid expansion of space-time.Originally posted by seer View Post"[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)Comment
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And what caused that? What came before?Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View PostAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3sComment
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We don't know. That's been the entire point. There's no evidence one way or the other.Originally posted by seer View Post"[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)Comment
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No, there is evidence that this universe is finite. That it began with the Big Bang.Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View PostAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3sComment
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And we have come full circle! What is the evidence that the universe began with the Big Bang?Originally posted by seer View Post"[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)Comment
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