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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThere were many environments on the earth in it's early history, and where life first formed was not likely exposed to the atmosphere. For example ocean sea vents are a hydrogen rich reducing environment, where prelife components possibly formed. It is unfortunate that the critics did not note this.
The atmosphere at the time would be obviously toxic to the early life forms and every other possible life form."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostUm, if they aren't exposed to the atmosphere how'd they get exposed to lightning?
Ocean vent environments can occur near surface, i. e. Iceland, acknowledged by Klaus who teaches geology. These environments allow for variable transition environments with sea water and the atmosphere, and in reasonable proximity to lightening. The source of consistent heat energy from the sea vent heat would important to early life forms, as they are in a dependent relationship with the life of current deep sea floor vents. The need for a energy source for early prolife and early primitive life forms that cannot produce their own energy is why I support the abiogenesis models that rely on ocean sea vents and related environments.Last edited by shunyadragon; 09-23-2014, 01:03 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
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Um, if it's close enough to the surface to be vulnerable to lightning, wouldn't the chemistry also be different?"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostUm, if it's close enough to the surface to be vulnerable to lightning, wouldn't the chemistry also be different?
I could dig out my old geochemistry texts and go into this in more detail, but it gets involved.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by klaus54 View PostWHO created the atmosphere and lightning?
WHO created the singularity or a fortiori, the Greater Cosmos?
WHO created the regularities of nature?
Hmm...
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God - which doesn't answer my question about how something not exposed to the atmosphere could be exposed to lightning. I think Shuny's explanation needs help but it's at least reasonable so I let it stand. By the way - what's so hard for you about playing nice? Is being unnecessarily nasty somehow proving something to yourself?"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe chemistry of the water/gas coming from the vents themselves would not be different, but unlike the deep sea vents there would be more intermediate environments and temperatures with the sea water and the atmosphere.
I could dig out my old geochemistry texts and go into this in more detail, but it gets involved.
So, can they show that the model used actually (probably) existed?"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostGod - which doesn't answer my question about how something not exposed to the atmosphere could be exposed to lightning. I think Shuny's explanation needs help but it's at least reasonable so I let it stand. By the way - what's so hard for you about playing nice? Is being unnecessarily nasty somehow proving something to yourself?
Are you limiting God's abilities??
Confused...
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God isn't limited by your inability to answer simple questions. Pity, really."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Oh, you're just a troll. My mistake."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostThat's okay - it answered my question.
So, can they show that the model used actually (probably) existed?Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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