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Originally posted by seer View PostThen your opinion of ISIS' acts is no more valid than theirs. The only thing that matters is who wins, it's all, Red of Tooth and Claw
In my world there are things that are unnatural to the human being, that violates the purpose which we were created for. In your world it is all natural, no act, in the end, is objectively more moral or immoral. And in my world there is final justice. In your world there is no justice - a Hitler has the same end as a Mother Teresa. In my world human beings have inherent worth, in your world human beings have no more inherent world than a housefly.Last edited by shunyadragon; 09-04-2014, 04:25 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by seer View PostThat in a godless universe the only thing that matters is survival (of the individual or group).
RoyJorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by phank View PostPeople tend to look for simple answers in a complex world. Religion provides simple answers. That's what it's for."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by seer View Post“When people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature, they will like the strong horse” Osama bin Laden
ISIS is gaining converts from the Middle East to India, to Central Europe to Britain to Western Europe. They seek a world wide caliphate and there is no guarantee that we will stop them. They may in fact win and take the world. Not only are they more aggressive and determined, in Europe the Muslims are reproducing at higher rates than the white Europeans. Is this not the evolutionary process in action? Or rather how is it any different in kind to this:
http://www.slate.com/articles/health...ggression.html"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieoferror View PostYep, because Aquinas' 5 ways is sooo simple and soo easy to understand that phank will explain them to everybody here and tell everybody why they are so simple and wrong. Keep showing why you're the Jorge of the skeptic community around these parts.
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Originally posted by phank View PostAh, here's little miss "can't address the claim, so attack the claimant". Do you EVER get tired of this?Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 09-04-2014, 09:14 PM."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by seer View PostThat in a godless universe the only thing that matters is survival (of the individual or group). The means are irrelevant. And there is nothing moral or immoral about the process no matter how brutal. It is no more moral or immoral than what the northern chimpanzees did to the southern chimpanzees. As a matter of fact what northern chimpanzees did was very successful - in the sense of what finally matters, survival of the individual or group. That is no more moral or immoral that what ISIS is trying to do.
In many respects your argument differs little from those who declare that there is no God because their is suffering and death in the world
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIt appears that you are starting your premise by employing a false dichotomy -- if there is evolution then its a "godless universe." All the Theory of Evolution does is explain how things are.
In many respects your argument differs little from those who declare that there is no God because their is suffering and death in the world
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Originally posted by klaus54 View PostSuffering and death in nature is TOTALLY compatible with Christianity because of the suffering of God incarnate in Jesus Christ.
Please stop spouting your theological ignorance in the Natural Science forum.
And seer, please spouting your theological AND scientific ignorance in the Natural Science forum.
It's a toss up as to which of you is best at category errors, but I'm leaning toward seer.
THEN, I went on to point out that I think this argument is wrong, and presented what I regard as a better argument.
(And I won't comment too much about the beam in your own eye.)Last edited by phank; 09-05-2014, 02:48 PM.
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Originally posted by phank View PostI think this is a misrepresentation. I have seen claims that IF there is a god, that god does not conform to the Christian description because the suffering and death is incompatible with that description.To say that crony capitalism is not true/free market capitalism, is like saying a grand slam is not true baseball, or like saying scoring a touchdown is not true American football ...Stefan Mykhaylo D
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Originally posted by klaus54 View PostSuffering and death in nature is TOTALLY compatible with Christianity because of the suffering of God incarnate in Jesus Christ.
Please stop spouting your theological ignorance in the Natural Science forum.
And seer, please spouting your theological AND scientific ignorance in the Natural Science forum.
It's a toss up as to which of you is best at category errors, but I'm leaning toward seer.
K54
If your going to complain about arguing theology in Natural Science, you are responding with a theistic argument, and half the thread posted should not be here.Last edited by shunyadragon; 09-05-2014, 10:20 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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