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  • The Strong Horse

    “When people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature, they will like the strong horse” Osama bin Laden

    ISIS is gaining converts from the Middle East to India, to Central Europe to Britain to Western Europe. They seek a world wide caliphate and there is no guarantee that we will stop them. They may in fact win and take the world. Not only are they more aggressive and determined, in Europe the Muslims are reproducing at higher rates than the white Europeans. Is this not the evolutionary process in action? Or rather how is it any different in kind to this:

    In 1974, Jane Goodall witnessed a disturbing scene in Gombe Stream National Park, Tanzania. A gang of male chimpanzees invaded their neighbors’ territory and attacked a male chimp sitting by himself in a tree. The intruders dragged the chimpanzee to the ground, pinned him down, and bit and hit him all over his body. The attack ended when one member of the gang threw a rock at the bleeding victim. The battered chimp was never seen again and presumably died from his injuries.

    The murderous chimpanzees weren’t attacking a stranger: They had recently all belonged to the same group. When the group split in two, one community took over the northern half of the range and the other the southern half. From 1974 to 1977, during the “four-year war,” the northern males obliterated the southern community, hunting down and killing all of its adult males. The northerners took over their enemies’ territory and females.

    This was the first time scientists had documented “warfare” among chimpanzees. It wasn’t the last.
    http://www.slate.com/articles/health...ggression.html
    Last edited by seer; 09-04-2014, 09:20 AM.
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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    People tend to look for simple answers in a complex world. Religion provides simple answers. That's what it's for.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by phank View Post
      People tend to look for simple answers in a complex world. Religion provides simple answers. That's what it's for.
      Well that did not deal with what I asked.
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • #4
        Originally posted by seer View Post
        ISIS is gaining converts from the Middle East to India, to Central Europe to Britain to Western Europe. They seek a world wide caliphate and there is no guarantee that we will stop them. They may in fact win and take the world. Not only are they more aggressive and determined, in Europe the Muslims are reproducing at higher rates than the white Europeans. Is this not the evolutionary process in action? Or rather how is it any different in kind to this:
        In the broadest possible sense yes you can describe human wars as "evolutionary processes". Just like you can describe the rockets being fired from Gaza into Israel as "Newton's laws of motion in action".

        Do you have any sort of point?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View Post
          In the broadest possible sense yes you can describe human wars as "evolutionary processes". Just like you can describe the rockets being fired from Gaza into Israel as "Newton's laws of motion in action".

          Do you have any sort of point?
          So the only moral consideration, in the end, is survival - survival = good, not surviving = bad.
          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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          • #6
            Originally posted by seer View Post
            So the only moral consideration, in the end, is survival - survival = good, not surviving = bad.
            If you wish to adopt that moral position that's your choice. Evolution doesn't say anything about morality. Morals are an agreed upon set of rules that a society tries to live by. What is considered moral has varied tremendously over time and with different cultures.

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            • #7
              Yes it is, seer.

              Now what do you think "we" ought to do about it from each of the following Weltanschauungen?

              1) "Darwinist" perspective

              2) Secular Humanist perspective

              3) Christian Humanist perspective

              Please address this question since it will help you to focus the thread.

              K54

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              • #8
                Originally posted by seer View Post
                “When people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature, they will like the strong horse” Osama bin Laden

                ISIS is gaining converts from the Middle East to India, to Central Europe to Britain to Western Europe. They seek a world wide caliphate and there is no guarantee that we will stop them. They may in fact win and take the world. Not only are they more aggressive and determined, in Europe the Muslims are reproducing at higher rates than the white Europeans. Is this not the evolutionary process in action? Or rather how is it any different in kind to this:



                http://www.slate.com/articles/health...ggression.html
                When ISIS uses a bomb to kill people, is that chemistry in action?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Method View Post
                  When ISIS uses a bomb to kill people, is that chemistry in action?
                  And what is your point? Is not survival the bottom line?
                  Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View Post
                    If you wish to adopt that moral position that's your choice. Evolution doesn't say anything about morality. Morals are an agreed upon set of rules that a society tries to live by. What is considered moral has varied tremendously over time and with different cultures.
                    Don't call it moral then - is not survival the ultimate aim, the only thing that really matters in the end?
                    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by klaus54 View Post
                      Yes it is, seer.

                      Now what do you think "we" ought to do about it from each of the following Weltanschauungen?

                      1) "Darwinist" perspective

                      2) Secular Humanist perspective

                      3) Christian Humanist perspective

                      Please address this question since it will help you to focus the thread.

                      K54
                      Klaus can you please not post in my thread. Thank you.
                      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by seer View Post
                        Don't call it moral then - is not survival the ultimate aim, the only thing that really matters in the end?
                        No.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by seer View Post
                          Don't call it moral then - is not survival the ultimate aim, the only thing that really matters in the end?
                          Don't call what moral?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by seer View Post
                            And what is your point? Is not survival the bottom line?
                            The bottom line of what?

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                            • #15
                              Edited by a Moderator
                              Originally posted by klaus54 View Post

                              K54
                              Moderated By: Littlejoe

                              Klaus, you were asked not to post in this thread anymore by the OP. Please honor that request and cease posting in this thread. Thank You! Seers request: http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...ll=1#post95548

                              Originally posted by seer View Post
                              Klaus can you please not post in my thread. Thank you.

                              ***If you wish to take issue with this notice DO NOT do so in this thread.***
                              Contact the forum moderator or an administrator in Private Message or email instead. If you feel you must publicly complain or whine, please take it to the Padded Room unless told otherwise.

                              Last edited by Littlejoe; 09-06-2014, 07:36 PM.

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