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  • Cerebrum123
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    Originally posted by tabibito View Post
    According to Jorge, the Theory of Evolution gave rise to Eugenics*. Therefore, the Theory of Evolution is inherently an evil.

    *(OK - Eugenics is more about genetics than it is about evolution, but eugenics did apply evolutionary theory in its rationale)

    How on earth did it exist before the study of genetics then? Eugenics goes back as far as 1869(Galton termed his "Hereditary Genius" to be in the field of eugenics, and he invented the term, so I think he would know). The word genetics was coined in 1905. Then there's the fact that a major eugenics "research lab" in Cold Spring Harbor was called "The Station for Experimental Evolution".

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  • Jorge
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    Originally posted by klaus54 View Post
    You're OFF this thread, Santa Klaus.

    Jorge

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  • Jorge
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    Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View Post
    Looks like it was Evolution Spews and Snooze quoting Moonie Jonathan Wells' trash book The Myth of Junk DNA from 2011

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    If that is the extent of your (worthless) contribution here then I am
    formally asking that you stay away from this thread. I'm looking for
    worthwhile postings, not your poisonous putrid propaganda.

    Jorge

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  • Jorge
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    Originally posted by phank View Post
    Every now and then, just for grins, someone will go to the trouble of tracking down all the footnotes in a creationist tract. Most citations fall into one of three categories: the source doesn't exist at all, the source exists but the cited quote is not found in it, or the quote exists in the source but in context says the opposite of what it's represented as saying.
    If that is the extent of your (worthless) contribution here then I am
    formally asking that you stay away from this thread. I'm looking for
    worthwhile postings, not your poisonous putrid propaganda.

    Jorge

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  • Jorge
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    Ah yes a picture of some hardbound copies of the Eugenics Quarterly goes a long way in proving ... well ... um ... nothing really does it.
    After reading the above I had no need to read any further.

    In a slightly different way you belong to the same 'category' as Beagle Boy, Roy
    and Santa Klaus. Trust me when I say that this is nothing to list on your resume.

    Now kindly stay away from this thread ... I'm hoping to see if any worthwhile
    comments are posted.

    Jorge

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  • Jorge
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    Originally posted by klaus54 View Post
    And you have to MISapply the scientific theory of evolution to justify all the travesties you described.

    A MISapplicaton of a scientific theory doesn't obviate the science -- no matter how many threads you start spouting the same category error.

    How can you stand the smell of your mendacity?

    K54

    P.S. "Can Jorge create a thread with intellectual dishonesty SO BIG, that even he can't slither out of??"

    So far there is no evidence to the contrary.
    I have stated more times than I can recall that there is a SCIENCE of evolution and then there is an IDEOLOGY of Evolution. The IDEOLOGY is part of the greater Materialistic metaphysic/worldview/religion. I have repeatedly stated that the SCIENCE is valid (allele frequencies ... etc). No one (certainly not I) is disputing the SCIENCE. It is the IDEOLOGY that is the poison being pumped into society with people like yourself serving the pawn-role as distributors of said poison.

    Now, you have your one warning. If your contributions will only be destructive and non-responsive, then stay off this thread. The next time I will formally ask the Moderators to boot you off.

    Jorge

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  • tabibito
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    Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
    How would the Theory of Evolution be a "merchant of death?" What evil could this theory be responsible for?
    According to Jorge, the Theory of Evolution gave rise to Eugenics*. Therefore, the Theory of Evolution is inherently an evil.

    *(OK - Eugenics is more about genetics than it is about evolution, but eugenics did apply evolutionary theory in its rationale)

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  • Jorge
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    Last edited by Jorge; 09-01-2014, 06:12 AM.

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  • Jorge
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    Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
    Lets say all you're saying is true Jorge, so what?
    So what? you ask. That's a fair question.

    How about beginning by realizing and then accepting what most people deny, Deny and DENY: that Evolution has a dual definition, one science and the other a nefarious, damning ideology that is part of a greater metaphysic/worldview/religion? [As you know, I have been preaching that lesson since my first day here] And having come to this realization and acceptance, how about looking at things differently, with this newly-acquired knowledge? How about coming to terms with what is being pumped into your children at schools under the guise of "science" when in reality it's the metaphysical beliefs of certain wackos that are hell-bent on converting everyone to those beliefs? How about looking at the bigger picture and fighting against the forces that are slowly but surely destroying the world that you and your loved ones must live in?

    The list is much longer than what I've listed here but how about starting with that?

    Jorge

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  • shunyadragon
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    Originally posted by tabibito View Post
    The Bible - among a number of religious texts - has been misused to support any number of atrocities. Alfred Nobel's work on explosives earned him the epithet, "merchant of death". Why would anyone expect different for the The Theory of Evolution?
    How would the Theory of Evolution be a "merchant of death?" What evil could this theory be responsible for?

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  • klaus54
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    Originally posted by Jorge View Post
    I've addressed this before (in other threads) and so I'll answer the above very concisely:
    One has to MISuse the Bible in order to support a number of atrocities.
    OTOH, the LOGICAL application of Evolution supports eugenics, euthanasia, abortion, etc.
    The evidence for this is beyond overwhelming.

    There you have it - short, sweet and true.
    Now it's up to you to either accept or reject this truth.

    Jorge
    And you have to MISapply the scientific theory of evolution to justify all the travesties you described.

    A MISapplicaton of a scientific theory doesn't obviate the science -- no matter how many threads you start spouting the same category error.

    How can you stand the smell of your mendacity?

    K54

    P.S. "Can Jorge create a thread with intellectual dishonesty SO BIG, that even he can't slither out of??"

    So far there is no evidence to the contrary.

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  • Jorge
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    Originally posted by tabibito View Post
    The Bible - among a number of religious texts - has been misused to support any number of atrocities. Alfred Nobel's work on explosives earned him the epithet, "merchant of death". Why would anyone expect different for the The Theory of Evolution?

    I've addressed this before (in other threads) and so I'll answer the above very concisely:
    One has to MISuse the Bible in order to support a number of atrocities.
    OTOH, the LOGICAL application of Evolution supports eugenics, euthanasia, abortion, etc.
    The evidence for this is beyond overwhelming.

    There you have it - short, sweet and true.
    Now it's up to you to either accept or reject this truth.

    Jorge

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  • Truthseeker
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    Originally posted by klaus54 View Post
    Absolutely!

    It's a total category error, and one that Jorge has tried in his previous thread and gotten decimated more than Hiroshima.
    Jorge, please show us you do know what Klaus means by "total category error" here.

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  • klaus54
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    Originally posted by Jorge, from OP
    This thread is to not let 'you' (you know who 'you' are!) get away with yet another display of intellectual dishonesty. Let me explain ...



    film-projector.jpg

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  • Roy
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    Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View Post
    Looks like it was Evolution Spews and Snooze quoting Moonie Jonathan Wells' trash book The Myth of Junk DNA from 2011

    linky
    Nope, Jorge's version is different.

    Roy

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