energy physics and the Divine attributes

[shunyadragon]

Divine attributes are often revealed before they are discovered by humans.

'Split the atom's heart, and lo!
within it thou wilt find a sun,"

Baha'u'llah The Seven Valleys and the Four Valleys

[klaus54]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flux_density

Totally awesome!



K54

[selfreasoning4all]

Have you perfected the Flux Capacitor yet?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flux_density

[klaus54]

Well, that is only true for the hydrogen atom. In cases where there is more than one electron (such as in materials), the "Planck Length" can be any size, all the way done to the limit of zero in catylitic processes.



In every single point in space there is a (longitudinal, transverse, and pulsed) radiation convergence, which converging to the zero point increase the flux density to infinity!

Have you perfected the Flux Capacitor yet?

K54

[klaus54]

Might want to put it after the "is".

Oops!!! Fumble fingers again. Not is good typing...

Btw, I was disfellowshiped for reproving the Governing Body on a private forum.

I reproved them for taking money from a military corporation, and for their association with the UN.

I can't return because I believe the scriptures say Jehovah is omnipresent, and because I now here voices, that include but are not limited to; Jehovah, Jesus, Michael, Gabriel, Azazel, Odin, Simiel, etc.

Well, he went from confusing to entertaining (in the Schadenfreude sense) very quickly...

K54

[Cerebrum123]

P.S. Added the NOT!!!

Might want to put it after the "is".

[Cerebrum123]

???

Oy gevalt!

BTW, "Jehovah" is an awful transliteration of the Tetragrammaton.

K54

Here's where he mentions the identity of a few of them.

btw, I was disfellowshiped for reproving the Governing Body on a private forum.

I reproved them for taking money from a military corporation, and for their association with the UN.

I can't return because I believe the scriptures say Jehovah is omnipresent, and because I now here voices, that include but are not limited to; Jehovah, Jesus, Michael, Gabriel, Azazel, Odin, Simiel, etc.

[klaus54]

Absolutely not.

Unless, or course, Selfie uses his personal definition of sentience.

This combined with his broad definition of "Divine" proves at least that his syfy story NOT is demonstrating theism.

K54

P.S. Added the NOT!!!

[klaus54]

Wow... Klaus and I agree on something...

The universe will shortly implode.

K54

[Bill the Cat]

???

Oy gevalt!

BTW, "Jehovah" is an awful transliteration of the Tetragrammaton.

K54

Wow... Klaus and I agree on something...

[selfreasoning4all]

mysticality tends to advance science

by virtue of providing emotional fuel

[selfreasoning4all]

Of course not. No scientist would call a proposed explanation of any set of observations a "fact". Indeed, in science there ARE no facts, since every observation is a model of some lower level of abstraction.

concrete particular observables do get generalized (induction), which is of course abstraction; and yes science is usually theorized to be reductive, i.e. we try to postulate the macroscopic phenomena from the models of the microscopic.

However, there might be holism

And anyway, even if the "microscopic" models (or definitions/abstractions) are incomplete (as they inherently are if one uses induction (i.e. problem of induction), we still have a scientific fact if it is in every interpretation completely in harmony with every known observation

So your attempt to use Pure Reason to derive your foregone conclusion founders on the uncertainty, ambiguity, and limitations of your premises.

ALL science suffers from the problem of induction, not just my reasoning in the OP.

However, you might notice that my premises are the least uncertain, least ambiguious, of all know physics!!!

When the Real World must be distorted beyond all recognition in order to force foregone conclusions, it makes me nervous.

mysticality tends to advance science

[selfreasoning4all]

Time-translational symmetry is equivalent to conservation of energy. In a closed system dS >= 0 so entropy gives a "arrow" to time, so time is not "reversible" -- unless you believe our universe is infinite.

if energy cannot be created, then it never was created

are you denying this?

Do you believe our universe is infinite and thus a thermodynamically open system?

I don't know if the universe' extension is infinite; however, if it were infinite, how would it be an open system?

[selfreasoning4all]

Of course you're aware that the Planck Length is the limit in size for any process involving energy since G and h break down into "quantum foam" at that scale.

Well, that is only true for the hydrogen atom. In cases where there is more than one electron (such as in materials), the "Planck Length" can be any size, all the way done to the limit of zero in catylitic processes.

Ergo, Energy cannot be "infinite", again in any standard definition of the term. Do you want to redefine "infinite" as well?

In every single point in space there is a (longitudinal, transverse, and pulsed) radiation convergence, which converging to the zero point increase the flux density to infinity!

[selfreasoning4all]

1) Observe an egg. Concluding that it's from a chicken is not induction but observation based on a previous observation.

1. you see chicken laying an egg 2. you find another egg that looks like that chicken egg; therefore the egg you found is a chicken egg

This looks like a deduction.

2) There are MANY theological words that are not used in the Bible; including omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, Trinity...
Supernatural is a standard term.

Granted, but where is the scripture that would even imply the existence of anything supernatural, save a miracle that humans don't understand?

3) In what sense is energy "conscious" -- this is a huge mistake in your "induction".

every cause involves energy and every effect involves energy, therefore the eternal and omnipresent energy is self-causal or self-deterministic; self-determinism is consciousness

4) At BEST you are supporting a form of pantheism.

monistic pantheism