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Originally posted by Roy View PostBut in an astronomically large population?
We have a few billion base pairs in our genome... and there are a few billion of us. And given the average number of new mutations per person, that's enough for every single point possible mutation to have occurred - including those that reverse previous point mutations that have become widespread.
Similar calculations can be done for bacteria, nematodes and other high-population organisms.
Roy
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Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View PostRight now he's the only YEC chew toy we have in NS301.
Originally posted by klaus54 View PostApparently you don't understand evolution either, as evidenced by the stupid term "devolution".
Sheesh.
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Originally posted by klaus54 View PostApparently you don't understand evolution either, as evidenced by the stupid term "devolution".
And mutations that result in non-viable organisms have happened many times.
Evolution is not a steady progression toward some sort of perfection. It's driven by random mutation and genetic drift, which together may or may not give a reproductive advantage to an organism depending upon environmental conditions which change over time.
Many, many species have gone extinct in Earth' history.
That's a fact, Jack.
K54
I also know well enough not to pay attention to the teachings of bombastic blowhards - even when they're right, the teaching is tainted.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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taking it upon themselves to deprive you
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Originally posted by klaus54 View PostApparently you don't understand evolution either, as evidenced by the stupid term "devolution".
And mutations that result in non-viable organisms have happened many times.
Evolution is not a steady progression toward some sort of perfection. It's driven by random mutation and genetic drift, which together may or may not give a reproductive advantage to an organism depending upon environmental conditions which change over time.
Many, many species have gone extinct in Earth' history.
That's a fact, Jack.
K54"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by lao tzu View PostThat's like playing a crooked roulette wheel 'cause it's the only game in town. Allow me to suggest there's an alternative, either way.
And that's just uncalled for. The guy knows he doesn't understand evolution. He's asking questions! Just answer them, okay.
Sheesh.
K54
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostChill out.
I agree it was harsh.
But it was true.
Unlike another poster here who is harsher than harsh and nearly everything he writes is a distortion of an outright lie.
How much abuse of the sensibilities are we supposed to take?
K54
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Originally posted by lao tzu View PostHe doesn't understand information theory, either. What I don't understand is why folks keep responding to his posts.
Listen, Mao Tzu Tong (or whatever you call yourself), I have forgotten more information theory than you'll ever know (and that's not just talk - although you fantasize that it is). You are obligated to write posts such as the one above because, well, because just like your ideological comrades you absolutely must discredit and demonize people like me - people that put our salty finger smack on your exposed flesh. Gosh how you must hate that!
Why is it me here? Simple - as Beagle Boy pointed out, I'm really the only Biblical Creationist here at TWeb with the boldness to call you clowns out every time you try to get away with irrationality and nonsense (or is it non-science? Actually, it's both!). There may be other Biblical Creationists here at Nat Sci 301 but suffice it to say that I couldn't say with absolute certainty who they are due to their 'silence'.
The simple fact of the matter is that here on TWeb Nat Sci 301 has become the playground for Atheists, Theistic Evolutionists and other anti-biblical vermin. When reading posts here I many times think that I'm at the Infidels website instead of at TWeb Nat Sci 301. Once upon a time there were a number of active Biblical Creationists but not any longer - why would they waste their time?
Hey ... maybe there's a lesson in this for me? Maybe they're wiser in knowing when to leave "the lost to lead the lost" after they've made an attempt to help? Hmmm ...
Jorge
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostTrue enough, I only understand the most elementary of the principles - just enough that I can identify Jorge's stories as fairy tales.
I also know well enough not to pay attention to the teachings of bombastic blowhards - even when they're right, the teaching is tainted.
pay your tutor for help with the 'harder' words?
Also, this one is an instant classic in irrationality:
"... even when they're right, the teaching is tainted."
IOW: "even when they're right" (meaning that it's true), "the teaching is tainted" (meaning that you "know well enough not to pay attention", i.e., you do not accept that truth).
WOW!!! This is the kind of stuff you have to see to believe.
Jorge
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Originally posted by klaus54 View PostWhy? Everything I said was true.
I agree it was harsh.
But it was true.
Unlike another poster here who is harsher than harsh and nearly everything he writes is a distortion of an outright lie.
How much abuse of the sensibilities are we supposed to take?
K54"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View PostI think we were saying the same thing, just coming at it from different sides.
Any one reversal is not that unlikely. It's actually been observed.
Back mutation can produce phenotype reversion in Bloom syndrome somatic cells
What is unlikely is that you'd get a whole series of back mutations that exactly reversed the original mutational path.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostNot that I question evolution and genetics.... but, if this is the case, shouldn't we be seeing new species being produced on a semi regular basis - maybe one every couple hundred years or so? Or does it have some sort of "end of the line for this branch" condition where there is no opportunity for further evolution.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Roy View PostYes - and we are. The London underground mosquitoes, for example. Polyploid fireweeds. And there's a species of lizard far along the way to becoming two.
Roy
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by klaus54 View PostHe does understand his version of information theory -- (paraphrased) "Information is that thing which evolution cannot increase."
K54
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAnd a group of orcas that are splitting into different species distinguishable by size, hunting tactics and vocalizations among some other characteristics.
And before someone raises the old "but it is still a bacteria" canard please understand that bacteria represents an entire taxonomical Order (that's the ranking above/larger than Kingdom as in Animal Kingdom, Plant Kingdom...). In fact the bacteria Domain is many times larger than the entire eukaryote Domain (the grouping that contains all animals, plants and fungi). So for those who repeat this tired old fallacy, what would you expect bacteria to become? It would truly be remarkable if a bacteria evolved into anything other than another type of bacteria.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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