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Warming: Where Is The Harm?

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  • seer
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    Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
    The rate of rising is increasing.
    Perhaps, but we really still don't know how much of that increase is cause by man. Nor do we really know the rates of rise in the far distant past. Perhaps what is happening today is actually less than what was happening ten thousands years ago.

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  • shunyadragon
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    Originally posted by seer View Post
    The sea level has been rising for thousands of years - and?
    The rate of rising is increasing.

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  • Truthseeker
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    Ah, square_peg, can you define "climate"? The Beagle either has me on ignore or is unable to define "climate."

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  • seer
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    Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View Post
    Which is exactly what we're trying to get to happen. But if we do nothing until we get a 100% consensus it will be far too late to do anything.
    Then it won't happen, if you don't get at least the major industrial nations, specifically India and China, on board then we need to start making other plans. Like how to adapt.

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  • Truthseeker
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    Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View Post
    That's already been accomplished to the satisfaction of the worldwide scientific community and a large portion of world leaders.
    Does that include China's and India's leaders? No lip service, actual actions. In any case, solar power will finally--if you can stand some word play--have its day in the sun. Hawaii, for example, is expected to have even competition between solar power plus storage and conventional (actually diesel-fueled) power sometime next year. California to follow suit in 2017. Texas sometime after. The beagle does not need to yelp any more.

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  • Sparko
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    Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View Post
    That's already been accomplished to the satisfaction of the worldwide scientific community and a large portion of world leaders.

    There are of course scientifically illiterate whackjobs who still think it's all a big Evil Scientist/Government conspiracy. Fortunately their willfully ignorant bluster does little more than add to the gaseous heating.
    Then why haven't we had the global warming they predicted by now? They have been preaching gloom and doom for 40 years now. By now we should be living in a steam oven, or floating around on rafts like in Water World. Yet, the climate today is the same as it was 40 years ago. We have hot and mild summers, cold and mild winters, we have floods and droughts, hurricanes and tornadoes. Just like we did in the 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's, 2010's... Practically half a century of "global warming" scares and still nothing.

    So now instead of crying "global warming" they change it to "climate change" - that way they have it covered whether the earth warms up or cools down. Genius.

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  • HMS_Beagle
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    first you have to actually prove that something needs to be done.
    That's already been accomplished to the satisfaction of the worldwide scientific community and a large portion of world leaders.

    There are of course scientifically illiterate whackjobs who still think it's all a big Evil Scientist/Government conspiracy. Fortunately their willfully ignorant bluster does little more than add to the gaseous heating.

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  • Truthseeker
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    Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View Post
    We can lead by example and continue to present evidence to other world powers so they will finally recognize the nature of the problem and take the required active steps. Any action is better than no action.
    Compared to the probability that anthropogenic atmospherical CO2 level is generating serious problems or will generate, the probability that politicians can ameliorate them and will, I guess, is practically zero. The beagle is a dreamer, not a hero.

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  • Sparko
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    Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View Post
    Which is exactly what we're trying to get to happen. But if we do nothing until we get a 100% consensus it will be far too late to do anything.
    first you have to actually prove that something needs to be done.

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  • HMS_Beagle
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    Originally posted by seer View Post
    Ok, while we lead we literally undermine our economy with much higher energy costs, while the energy costs of our competitors remain flat. Thereby insuring higher unemployment rates and creating more poverty in the West. It simply will not work unless every developing country comes on board.
    Which is exactly what we're trying to get to happen. But if we do nothing until we get a 100% consensus it will be far too late to do anything.

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  • seer
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    Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View Post
    We can lead by example and continue to present evidence to other world powers so they will finally recognize the nature of the problem and take the required active steps. Any action is better than no action.
    Ok, while we lead we literally undermine our economy with much higher energy costs, while the energy costs of our competitors remain flat. Thereby insuring higher unemployment rates and creating more poverty in the West. It simply will not work unless every developing country comes on board.

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  • seer
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    Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View Post
    And thousands of years ago we didn't have a few billion people living in low lying coastal areas whose food supply infrastructure / living areas will be severely compromised when the level rises.
    Yes, and the sea levels would still be rising even without our input since the earth has been warming for thousands of years, and continues to do so, after all we are still coming out of the last Ice Age. You could make the case that we would add to the speed of that rise, but no one really knows by how much. With or without our Co2 building in low lying coastal areas was never a good idea.

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  • HMS_Beagle
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    Originally posted by seer View Post
    So HMS - what would you have us do to reverse this? And if you can not get countries like China, India, most of Asia and Africa to join in, what real good would our efforts do?
    We can lead by example and continue to present evidence to other world powers so they will finally recognize the nature of the problem and take the required active steps. Any action is better than no action.

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  • HMS_Beagle
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    Originally posted by seer View Post
    The sea level has been rising for thousands of years - and?
    And thousands of years ago we didn't have a few billion people living in low lying coastal areas whose food supply infrastructure / living areas will be severely compromised when the level rises.

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