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Why didn't Elohim create FRESH granite?

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  • klaus54
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    No takers yet? Not even Jorge?

    It's not just the radiometric ages of igneous rocks, but also their varied emplacements indicating history.

    Appearance of age the YECs can hand wave away, the appearance of history, not so much.

    K54

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  • klaus54
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    Originally posted by Quantum Weirdness View Post
    Technically, the account just says "appear", not actual creation. Btw, to any YEC's lurking on this thread, do YEC's interpret genesis 1:9-10 as the creation of land?
    Ok, I guess we can always fiddle around with the wording.

    If granite "appeared" on Day 3, then when was it "created"?

    YECs don't have much leeway.

    In any case, why wasn't it made fresh?

    K54

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  • Quantum Weirdness
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    Technically, the account just says "appear", not actual creation. Btw, to any YEC's lurking on this thread, do YEC's interpret genesis 1:9-10 as the creation of land?

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  • klaus54
    started a topic Why didn't Elohim create FRESH granite?

    Why didn't Elohim create FRESH granite?

    In the YEC model of 24-hour days in Creation Week, dry land was created on the Third Day. Presumably this would include igneous rock such as granite. Granite is found in different locations with differing radiometric ages and in various intrusive environments as evidenced by, e.g., contact metamorphism of country rock. (Contact metamorphism also indicates multiple episodes of rock formation.)

    The philosophical/theological question for you YECs is why would Elohim not create "fresh" granite, i.e, igneous formations with the radiometric clocks "zeroed out"?

    Here's a webpage that gives a simple treatment of this topic from the hypothetical situation where a teacher would be required to teach YEC.

    http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/miracle.htm

    Originally posted by from the above URL
    The creationists are asking for equal time in science classrooms to teach that the Genesis stories are valid scientific interpretations of earth history. Equal time for creationists' interpretations are not likely to occur in secular universities and schools, but if the creationist are serious about equal time, then they should be open to granting equal time in their private Christian schools for presentations of both sides of a scientific issue --- a literalist biblical view and the modern science view. The origin, age, and other characteristic features of granite are such issues deserving equal time. The Bible says that the dry land was created on the Third Day of the Genesis Week (Genesis 1:9-10), and presumably, this is the time in which granite in continental masses was formed. If I were given equal time in a science classroom at a private, fundamentalist, Christian college or secondary school, advocating creationists' views, the following would be the kinds of information that I would provide for a modern scientific interpretation of granite to compare with the corresponding creationists' biblical interpretation.
    Originally posted by from above URL
    Absolute ages of granite bodies, rather than relative ages, can be obtained by using various radioactive isotopes; i.e., uranium-lead (U-Pb), potassium-argon (K-Ar), and rubidium-strontium (Rb-Sr) age-dating techniques. For example, trace amounts of uranium and lead are dissolved in the granite melts. Uranium and lead ions have entirely different chemical characteristics, and they normally crystallize in entirely different minerals. Because the uranium ion is about the same size as the zirconium ion, uranium will substitute for zirconium and crystallize in zircon, but the lead ion goes elsewhere, commonly in potassium feldspar, as the granite magma crystallizes. But the isotope of uranium (238U) is radioactive and eventually decays to form lead (206Pb). When the granite first crystallizes and the radioactive uranium enters the zircon crystal (devoid of 206Pb), the clock is set and "ticking," and the uranium is constantly breaking down, eventually to produce new lead (206Pb) atoms trapped in the zircon crystals. Because this U-Pb decay-scheme is a constant, the ratio of uranium to lead in zircon populations in granite can be used to determine the age of a granite. World-wide the absolute ages of various granite bodies are consistent with the relative ages described above. Granites in the bottom of the Grand Canyon give Precambrian ages of 1.58 and 1.65 billion years, younger than the 1.7-1.85 billion-year-old Vishnu schist (Livingston et al., 1974), which the granites intrude, (and older than the overlying "Noachian Flood deposits" of about 540 million years for the Cambrian Tapeats sandstone at the bottom to the 225 million-year-old Permian Kaibab limestone at the top.

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