The Sense Of Smell: How Did It Happen?

[seer]

No one in science says or thinks evolution happens entirely by chance.

Really? So there is intention involved?

[HMS_Beagle]

Really? So there is intention involved?

No. Evolution is an iterative process that involves feedback from natural selection which determines the genetic makeup of each subsequent generation. It has a chance component but the whole process is not strictly chance.

I know you've had that explained to you a dozen times too.

[seer]

No. Evolution is an iterative process that involves feedback from natural selection which determines the genetic makeup of each subsequent generation. It has a chance component but the whole process is not strictly chance.

But mutations that create the novelty which natural selection then saves do come about by chance? Correct? And we were speaking of mutations - right?

[Jorge]

No. Evolution is an iterative process that involves feedback from natural selection which determines the genetic makeup of each subsequent generation. It has a chance component but the whole process is not strictly chance.

I know you've had that explained to you a dozen times too.

You regurgitate the Party Line^tm quite well, Beagle-Boy ... Polly wanna cracker?

Okay, enough fun, let's get serious ...

Does selection -- selecting from something that ALREADY EXISTS -- introduce novelty into an (alleged) Evolutionary
process? No, of course not - selection does as the name implies - it selects, period! BTW, 'selects' explicitly means
that from an original set of members, some are 'selected' (they 'move on'), some are not (Evolutionary dead-end).

Okay, so if selection (Natural Selection) does not bring about the Evolutionary novelty, then what's left?
Golly-gee-wiz ... the only remaining thing is CHANCE! It cannot be design / teleology because that
is verboten in the "science" of these payasos. Thus, chance and only chance is the mechanism that
provides the modifications to earlier generations from which NS may "select" thus giving rise to the
future generations... chance and only chance provides the changes that Evolution needs.

Yup, it is chance! Yet these people will deny with every breath - just as Tiggy-Pooh does above -
that it is chance. Wanna know why they deny, deny and deny? I'll tell you. Because even they
aren't stupid enough to think that people will buy such nonsense. And so they deny in the hope that
people aren't paying attention and so their con will succeed (sadly, most people aren't paying attention
and so end up being bamboozled by these con artists). Just as the above post demonstrates.

That's why folks like myself are strongly disliked by these people - they hate being shown up.

Jorge

[Jorge]

But mutations that create the novelty which natural selection then saves do come about by chance? Correct? And we were speaking of mutations - right?

Hehe ... see my previous post which I was writing as you wrote yours.

Jorge

[seer]

That's why folks like myself are strongly disliked by these people - they hate being shown up.

Jorge

It couldn't be because or your winning ways?

[HMS_Beagle]

But mutations that create the novelty which natural selection then saves do come about by chance? Correct? And we were speaking of mutations - right?

We're talking about the evolution of the whole olfactory sensing system. Genetic variations are random WRT reproductive fitness but their overall accumulation isn't strictly random.

Repeat that over to yourself until it sinks in.

[HMS_Beagle]

BWAAAAK! BWAAAK! buc buc buc BWAAAAAKK!!

Jorge

You soiled yourself with chickenpoop again Clucky. Go clean yourself up.

[firstfloor]

But mutations that create the novelty which natural selection then saves do come about by chance? Correct? And we were speaking of mutations - right?

Mutation is not the only mechanism involved.
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosit...chanisms.shtml
Interesting topic.
The sense of smell like many other senses comes from the need of even the simplest creature to be able to find food and avoid toxins.

[Jorge]

It couldn't be because or your winning ways?

Nah ... no way. They absolutely HATE being showed up.
Even if I did it very nicely, they'd be just as upset. I know Biblical Creationists
that are the epitome of being gentle and diplomatic. Yet they get trashed
by Atheists / Theistic Evolutionists every time that they have the audacity
to show that these A / TE are wrong. What they hate is the TRUTH.

Jorge

[Jorge]

Mutation is not the only mechanism involved.
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosit...chanisms.shtml
Interesting topic.
The sense of smell like many other senses comes from the need of even the simplest creature to be able to find food and avoid toxins.

Uhmmm ... so before they had the sense of smell (or the other senses),
did they do without food and run into toxins? But ... but ... that would mean DEATH!
IOW, while "Evolution" produced these senses, they would have died.

Ya know, I don't think I'll buy your fable today ... tomorrow doesn't look any better.

Jorge

[rogue06]

Nah ... no way. They absolutely HATE being showed up.
Even if I did it very nicely, they'd be just as upset. I know Biblical Creationists
that are the epitome of being gentle and diplomatic. Yet they get trashed
by Atheists / Theistic Evolutionists every time that they have the audacity
to show that these A / TE are wrong. What they hate is the TRUTH.

Jorge

While I have at times seen such exchanges get a bit heated most of them turn out to be cordial and even upon occasion productive. Unlike those with folks who arrogantly make proclamations that they expect to be taken at face value and who are notorious about presenting the same litany of excuses^[1] for not actually supporting their claims with corroborating evidence.





1. You know, like declaring that the person requesting evidence must be drunk, deluded, dishonest or on drugs so that it would be a waste of time to respond. Stuff like that

[HMS_Beagle]

Mutation is not the only mechanism involved.
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosit...chanisms.shtml
Interesting topic.
The sense of smell like many other senses comes from the need of even the simplest creature to be able to find food and avoid toxins.

Yep. As the earliest multi-cellular creatures first evolved the capability of locomotion being able to sense your surrounding environment was a huge advantage. Rudimentary sight, rudimentary smell, rudimentary hearing all gave big benefits. If you could move towards a food source or away from a danger you had a much better chance of surviving. It wasn't necessary for these senses to develop to their present degrees of refinement immediately. Just small incremental increases in performance over time did the trick.

BTW please excuse Jorge. He's the board's resident idiot who tries to cover his scientific incompetence with lots of bluster and braggadocio.

[Jorge]

Yep. As the earliest multi-cellular creatures first evolved the capability of locomotion being able to sense your surrounding environment was a huge advantage. Rudimentary sight, rudimentary smell, rudimentary hearing all gave big benefits. If you could move towards a food source or away from a danger you had a much better chance of surviving. It wasn't necessary for these senses to develop to their present degrees of refinement immediately. Just small incremental increases in performance over time did the trick.

BTW please excuse Jorge. He's the board's resident idiot who tries to cover his scientific incompetence with lots of bluster and braggadocio.

.............. whew!!! okay, 'nuff of that ...

Jorge

[HMS_Beagle]

BTW please excuse Jorge. He's the board's resident idiot who tries to cover his scientific incompetence with lots of bluster and braggadocio.

.............. whew!!! okay, 'nuff of that ...

Jorge

Q.E.D. and yes, Jorge really is too dense to know he just demonstrated the point.