Apparently, and somewhat surprising to me at least, the reaction from the Orthodox community has not been unanimously against the move but has been described as "mixed." For instance while some have declared that this decision was a "mistake," the Ne'emanei Torah Va'Avodah said that they welcome the move stating that it was important for children to be exposed to "different perspectives."
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Israel to start teaching evolution in Middle School
Apparently, and somewhat surprising to me at least, the reaction from the Orthodox community has not been unanimously against the move but has been described as "mixed." For instance while some have declared that this decision was a "mistake," the Ne'emanei Torah Va'Avodah said that they welcome the move stating that it was important for children to be exposed to "different perspectives."
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Um, you do know Israel tends to be politically liberal, right? Israeli politics are fascinating but somewhat schizo from an American POV (downright right wing from a European POV)."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostUm, you do know Israel tends to be politically liberal, right?
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostExplaining why it was only now before they allowed evolution to be taught to those not in advanced biology classes, right?"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostThe 'schizo' part, probably. Israel is a very strange political animal - but it's really not all that politically conservative.Last edited by shunyadragon; 06-05-2014, 11:37 AM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
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This really shouldn't be a liberal/conservative issue. The core concepts here (esp. natural selection, genetics) are commonly taught in middle schools in the US, and generally do not cause any problems."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI believe it depends on the issue at hand whether one has a conservative, liberal, or religious view. I am surprised at the discomfort many in Israel apparently have toward evolution. Many Jews are pragmatic to indifferent concerning the Torah or whether the interpretation is literal or not. Many are pragmatic to the point of agnostic/atheistic view.
Any issue can have a L/C stance to it. And no person or group is perfectly one or the other on all issues - human, and all that. As a whole, Israel tends to be socially liberal, fiscally conservative and conservative toward security. The result is a mishmash when you look at specific issues."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostThis really shouldn't be a liberal/conservative issue. The core concepts here (esp. natural selection, genetics) are commonly taught in middle schools in the US, and generally do not cause any problems.
Truth is not actually the deciding factor even if we allow that nat. selection/genetics are true (not disputing, just framing the argument). The basics of nuclear weapon manufacture are provably 'true' - and a really bad idea to teach (even if you can find them on the Internet). Granted we don't want to teach falsehood but merely being true does not automatically override the political, societal, financial or any other legitimate area of concern (we don't teach how to use poison for the same reason). Politics is messy - humans tend to be that way - but it is also the legitimate means of deciding how we will proceed as a nation/society and education, especially publicly funded, is correctly within its sphere."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
Apparently, and somewhat surprising to me at least, the reaction from the Orthodox community has not been unanimously against the move but has been described as "mixed." For instance while some have declared that this decision was a "mistake," the Ne'emanei Torah Va'Avodah said that they welcome the move stating that it was important for children to be exposed to "different perspectives."
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostSure, it should - the fact is you cannot teach every possible thing in schools and so long as that is true, the decisions of what is and is not taught and how it is presented are very much political issues. What is taught affects society and the body politic - it's perfectly correct for citizens to take a stance on such matters and to lobby for or against given items. What's wrong is trying to pretend (you aren't doing this) that education has no political ramifications and is therefore 'above' politics (you're in this ballpark).
Truth is not actually the deciding factor even if we allow that nat. selection/genetics are true (not disputing, just framing the argument). The basics of nuclear weapon manufacture are provably 'true' - and a really bad idea to teach (even if you can find them on the Internet). Granted we don't want to teach falsehood but merely being true does not automatically override the political, societal, financial or any other legitimate area of concern (we don't teach how to use poison for the same reason). Politics is messy - humans tend to be that way - but it is also the legitimate means of deciding how we will proceed as a nation/society and education, especially publicly funded, is correctly within its sphere.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI think a more apt analogy here would be saying that atomic theory is a bad idea to teach because it can lead to nuclear weapons manufacture."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIt seems that I shouldn't really have been surprised that many in the Orthodox Jewish community don't have a problem with evolution. It appears that over the years many of their leaders held a somewhat Theistic Evolutionary stance and even some of those who were critical of evolution like Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch (1808--1888) declared that it wouldn't pose a threat to Orthodox Jewish belief."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostThis really shouldn't be a liberal/conservative issue. The core concepts here (esp. natural selection, genetics) are commonly taught in middle schools in the US, and generally do not cause any problems.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
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There is a trend in USA, which is a parallel in Israel. In the USA the higher the church attendance on Sunday the more likely they are to reject evolution. In Israel it is the more devote religious who have an objection to the teaching of evolution. Most of the general population is strong cultural investment in Judaism, but are most often secular indifferent to the religious belief in Judaism.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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