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  • JonF
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    I come at it mostly from the geology/dating perspective. Dalrymple's the Age of the Earth is good but basic. Radiogenic Isotope Geology is more technical, but you'll have to buy the book if you want the equations and some of the figures shown properly. Modern Nuclear Chemistry is pretty seriously technical. Beyond that you are looking at heavy-duty stuff such as Introduction to Applied Nuclear Physics or other stuff at Nuclear Science and Engineering.

    ETA Some classic works on the constancy of fundamental constants are The fundamental constants and their variation: observational status and theoretical motivations and Variation of fundamental constants: theory and observations. On gteh constancy of decay rates see Perturbation of Nuclear Decay Rates.
    Last edited by JonF; 06-10-2014, 07:46 PM.

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  • Omniskeptical
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    Howabout recommending a good textbook of nuclear science, JonF?

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  • Omniskeptical
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    Originally posted by klaus54 View Post
    Can you support that claim?

    K54
    Nothing is supportable on a discussion board. But I want to try him.

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  • klaus54
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    Originally posted by Omniskeptical View Post
    But Jorge doesn't even know what Calculus is.
    Can you support that claim?

    K54

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  • Omniskeptical
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    Originally posted by Roy View Post
    That can't be a lie, since it's true. Jorge may be a Sphyrapicus varius, but at least he knows that cosmic rays come from the cosmos.

    Roy
    But Jorge doesn't even know what Calculus is.

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  • Roy
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    Uh-oh. I may have inadvertently closed the thread

    Roy

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  • Roy
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    Originally posted by Omniskeptical View Post
    OH, so you remember it. But currently, he lied by implying Jorge is scientificly competent to me.
    That can't be a lie, since it's true. Jorge may be a Sphyrapicus varius, but at least he knows that cosmic rays come from the cosmos.

    Roy
    Last edited by Roy; 06-10-2014, 02:09 PM.

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  • Sparko
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    Any more flaming and I will close the thread.

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  • One Bad Pig
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    Originally posted by JonF View Post
    I've stopped feeding his "scientific" silliness, but I will continue to respond to personal attacks.
    Up to you. That's what he's angling for, though.

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  • JonF
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    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Omniskeptical is obviously trolling hard for attention. Why feed him?
    I've stopped feeding his "scientific" silliness, but I will continue to respond to personal attacks.

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  • Sparko
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    Originally posted by Omniskeptical View Post
    OH, so you remember it. But currently, he lied by implying Jorge is scientificly competent to me.
    That's enough. Leave the thread and you are being modded.

    Someone's opinion of your incompetency is not a lie. It is his opinion.



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    All subsequent discussion of the accusation must take place in the Psychotherapy Room. Please note that one person's faith position may inform their opinion of the acts or faiths of another - in stating positions of faith, allegations of lying are not appropriate.

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  • One Bad Pig
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    Omniskeptical is obviously trolling hard for attention. Why feed him?

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  • JonF
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    Originally posted by Omniskeptical View Post
    OH, so you remember it.
    He did not indicate in any way that he remembers it. By his silence he implies that he does not remember it.

    [ But currently, he lied by implying Jorge is scientificly competent to me.
    LOL wut? What does "scientificly [sic] competent to me" mean?

    I didn't imply anything of the kind. I explicitly stated:

    Originally posted by JonF View Post
    Nope, you are really worse than Jorge when it comes to scientific knowledge of subjects on which you pontificate. By an order of magnitude or more. That's really bad.
    That's not an implication. My conclusion from observing your and Jorge's posts is that Jorge, who is abysmally ignorant of science, is much much more knowledgeable of science than you with your randomly chosen irrelevant phrases and obvious lack of any knowledge of any subject mentioned in this thread.

    The definitions of lie are:
    • a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood. Synonyms: prevarication, falsification. Antonyms: truth.
    • something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
    • an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.
    • the charge or accusation of telling a lie: He flung the lie back at his accusers.


    To establish my claim as a lie requires that you demonstrate that it is false (good luck with that!) and that I knew it was false (which it wasn't and isn't) when I posted it.

    That's yet another unsupported accusation of lying that I've reported.

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  • klaus54
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    Originally posted by Omniskeptical View Post
    OH, so you remember it. But currently, he lied by implying Jorge is scientificly competent to me.
    Why are you still allowed to post here?

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  • Omniskeptical
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    Omni,

    You will provide evidence that JonF is being dishonest, or you will cease accusing him of lying and apologize. If you don't you will be modded for flaming.
    OH, so you remember it. But currently, he lied by implying Jorge is scientificly competent to me.

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