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Originally posted by klaus54 View PostWhat on Earth are you babbling about?
Geiger-Mueller counters "click" when a gamma ray photo hits the detector. So what? The nucleus emitting the gamma ray photon does not transmute.
What's it with you and Geiger counters???
K54Last edited by Omniskeptical; 06-07-2014, 05:16 PM.
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Originally posted by Omniskeptical View PostYou can't determine [a good] lambda for radiocarbon decay without them.
There are complications such as self shielding, but they are well understood and taken into account.
Of course if all scientists are stupid and you are correct, we have been consistently underestimating half - lives and all the radiometric ages we have are too young. Bet that's not your favorite conclusion. However, we know our half-lives are good because of consilience between radiometric dates, non-radiometric, and historical dates.
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Originally posted by JonF View PostNope. You can measure the 14C and 14N in a closed sample , wait some time, remeasure, and calculate. Same for other element. And Geiger counters are not the only way of measuring radiation.
There are complications such as self shielding, but they are well understood and taken into account.
Of course if all scientists are stupid and you are correct, we have been consistently underestimating half - lives and all the radiometric ages we have are too young. Bet that's not your favorite conclusion. However, we know our half-lives are good because of consilience between radiometric dates, non-radiometric, and historical dates.
I doubt incineration is the only means of rapid tranmuting.Last edited by Omniskeptical; 06-07-2014, 05:52 PM.
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Originally posted by Omniskeptical View PostYou don't know the basics, so shut up. Oh, I forgot, your name is stupid, and you always win by being stupid.
I would ask that you shut up, but it's too entertaining watching an ignorant semi-literate fool babble on.
"You always win by being stupid." -- that's a quote for the ages (so to speak).
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Originally posted by klaus54 View PostIt's evident that you don't know the basics either.
I would ask that you shut up, but it's too entertaining watching an ignorant semi-literate fool babble on.
"You always win by being stupid." -- that's a quote for the ages (so to speak).
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Originally posted by Omniskeptical View PostOkay, you win, stupid.
You want to contest that? Are you asking questions, or are you trying to mount a feeble offensive against well-established physics?
What IS your shtick?
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Originally posted by klaus54 View PostListen to Jon. There are other methods of measuring decay besides a Geiger-Mueller counter. The only assumptions are than fundamental forces have remained unchanged in essence over all but the first fractions of a second in the history of the Universe.
You want to contest that? Are you asking questions, or are you trying to mount a feeble offensive against well-established physics?
What IS your shtick?
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Your unsupported and downright risible ideas are not evidence.
You'd be surprised how many "biblical" Persian artifacts aren't real. And I know South America history is not older than Egyptian history. Carbon-14 dating has flaws which are related badly guessed and moisture. It would be interesting if someone would come out say Carbon-14 is alterable; but it seems like proprietary information. If lightning can produce nitrogen-14, then I'd have interesting proof on radiocarbon dating. How would I be correct on the radiometric dating giving off too young of a date? Since you posted it, could you explain what you mean? Since elements have their hot triggers, and different chemical responses in magma.
If lightning could produce 14N, it wouldn't affect carbon dating. Carbon dating measures 14C/12C.
I have no idea WTF "hot trigger" means. Chemical responses in magma do not affect radiometric dating, which has to do with nuclear processes. Of course anything immersed in magma could never be carbon dated.
Checking my claim of underestimating ages I find I was wrong; increasing lambda by counting irrelevant clicks would decrease the calculated age. I'm more used to working with half-life. But, of course, there's no possibility of any significant number of extraneous clicks being recorded in a well-designed experiment, there have been lots of well-designed experiments, and it's impossible to get enough extraneous clicks to get near YEC ages unless the experiment was carefully designed to swamp the real clicks with millions of times more false clicks. {ETA} I was wrong about being wrong! My original claim was correct. More later.
I doubt incineration is the only means of rapid tranmuting.
No radioactive isotope decay is increased noticeably in any terrestrial conditions or in laboratory simulations off terrestrial conditions. If you define "incineration" as "heating the Earth into it's a cloud of plasma" then there are a very few radioactive isotopes that decay rapidly under those conditions, and only one is used in radiometric dating (87Rb). Since Rb-Sr dates agree with dates obtained from other isotopes that are not subject to such acceleration, therefore there was no such acceleration. Oh, and thee is one more tiny detail: the Earth is not a cloud of plasma. Have you noticed that?Last edited by JonF; 06-08-2014, 08:48 AM.
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How can anyone be sure that something transmuted, when you can't see it transmute itself? There is the extreme possibility that solid rock doesn't transmute.
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Originally posted by Omniskeptical View PostThere is considerable cosmic radiation produced from the ground.
It is likely that it comes from the earth's magma. Cosmic rays tend to indicate transmuting of elements. Thus there is likely a lot of it in the magma and none of it [transmuting] in pressurized cold solid rock.
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Originally posted by JonF View PostWow, you are a cuckoo, aren't you? No, there's no such possibility. All manner of solids, including rocks, have been measured by detecting decay particle and by detecting the amount of parent and daughter product. Radioactive isotopes decay at the same rate and in the same manner under all terrestrial conditions, in rocks, in magma, in any portion of the Earth you care to consider.Last edited by Omniskeptical; 06-08-2014, 10:44 AM.
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