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  • The artifact hypothesis?

    Source: Evolution News

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    So it appears that the proposed soft-bodied fossils of the Cambrian animals really were not present.

    Blessings,
    Lee
    "What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)

  • #2
    This really an oldie moldy topic, and a bad start to a 'Ground Hog Day' thread with fallacious reference from an Intelligent Design website. No peer reviewed scientific articles to support your negative 'argument from ignorance' as to what is and is not known in the fossil evidence.

    Part of the bottom line as to what has been cited before is scientists are not 'dumb founded,' an there is fossil evidence for intermediates in the evolution of early hard bodied animals like trilobites.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
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      So it appears that the proposed soft-bodied fossils of the Cambrian animals really were not present.

      Blessings,
      Lee
      Didn't we already go through this on at least two separate threads roughly six months ago?

      I'm always still in trouble again

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      • #4
        Source: Evolution News

        in the past years several fossiliferous Burgess Shale-type (BST) biota from the Ediacaran have been discovered:

        Pusa Shale of Spain (Brasier et al. 1979, Jensen & Palacios 2016)
        Chopoghlu Shale / Soltanieh Formation of northern Iran (Ford & Breed 1972)
        Khatyspyt Formation of Siberia (Grazhdankin et al. 2008)
        Miaohe biota of southern China (Xiao et al. 2002, Tang et al. 2008, Ye et al. 2017)
        Lantian biota of southern China (Yuan et al. 2011, 2013)
        Jinxian biota of northern China (Luo et al. 2016)
        Zuun-Arts biota of western Mongolia (Dornbos et al. 2016, Hassell et al. 2017)

        Guess What?

        None of these Ediacaran biotas yielded any uncontroversial fossil record of animals!

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        Papers here! Burgess-type shale deposits, and no appearance of animals, so this is not arguing from ignorance, this is a failed prediction.

        Blessings,
        Lee
        "What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)

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        • #5
          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          Didn't we already go through this on at least two separate threads roughly six months ago?
          Yes, we discussed pre-Cambrian fossils, but the possibility of soft-bodied unfossilized animals in the pre-Cambrian was still a question. And that question is addressed here...

          Blessings,
          Lee
          "What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
            Yes, we discussed pre-Cambrian fossils, but the possibility of soft-bodied unfossilized animals in the pre-Cambrian was still a question. And that question is addressed here...

            Blessings,
            Lee
            There are no unfossilized soft bodied animals in the Pre-Cambrian. They are all fossilized.

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            • #7
              Kind of funny that the bozos at Evolution News are running with that only a few months after the announcement of the fossil that shows they're wrong.

              https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02556-x

              Neuroscience has generated persuasive evidence that brains exist. But the Discovery Institute keeps finding ways to raise doubts about that.
              "Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by TheLurch View Post
                Kind of funny that the bozos at Evolution News are running with that only a few months after the announcement of the fossil that shows they're wrong.

                https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02556-x
                Well, they didn't miss that article:

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                Blessings,
                Lee
                "What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
                  Well, they didn't miss that article:

                  Source: Evolution News

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                  Blessings,
                  Lee
                  Comedy gold.

                  "We have all these traces that look like they came from worms"
                  "I don't think it's worms, and you haven't found any worms then"
                  "Well, here's a worm"
                  "i refuse to believe that's actually a worm"

                  On a somewhat more serious note, it's rare to see motivated reasoning that's quite that blatant. I'm surprised that the behavioral science community hasn't recognized these guys for the resource they are.

                  And that's not even getting into the fact that they decided to tackle this subject only after it was incredibly obvious they were wrong. I can only speculate about the motivations there.
                  "Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TheLurch View Post
                    "We have all these traces that look like they came from worms"
                    "I don't think it's worms, and you haven't found any worms then"
                    "Well, here's a worm"
                    "i refuse to believe that's actually a worm"
                    Well, they might be from worm-like creatures: "... or to an extinct specialized branch of the typical Ediacaran organisms of the coelenterate (cnidarian) grade, which independently acquired a worm-like habitus and burrowing lifestyle."

                    Blessings,
                    Lee
                    "What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
                      Source: Evolution News

                      in the past years several fossiliferous Burgess Shale-type (BST) biota from the Ediacaran have been discovered:

                      Pusa Shale of Spain (Brasier et al. 1979, Jensen & Palacios 2016)
                      Chopoghlu Shale / Soltanieh Formation of northern Iran (Ford & Breed 1972)
                      Khatyspyt Formation of Siberia (Grazhdankin et al. 2008)
                      Miaohe biota of southern China (Xiao et al. 2002, Tang et al. 2008, Ye et al. 2017)
                      Lantian biota of southern China (Yuan et al. 2011, 2013)
                      Jinxian biota of northern China (Luo et al. 2016)
                      Zuun-Arts biota of western Mongolia (Dornbos et al. 2016, Hassell et al. 2017)

                      Guess What?

                      None of these Ediacaran biotas yielded any uncontroversial fossil record of animals!

                      © Copyright Original Source


                      Papers here! Burgess-type shale deposits, and no appearance of animals, so this is not arguing from ignorance, this is a failed prediction.

                      Blessings,
                      Lee
                      Words fail me beyond measure at the desperation of the ID movement to publish this rubbish.

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