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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostI do remember that some cars after WW-II ran on alchohol powered steam engines. You had to start the car half an hour before you intended to drive it.
https://www.motherearthnews.com/gree...k-zmaz81mjzraw
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostWhile that's true, you also told me things that turned out not to quite hold water. When I talked about the wanton destruction of natural habitats in persuit of coal mining, you told me that coal companies were now forced to restore those areas to the state they were in originally.
You failed to mention though, that this only accounts for around 6% of all coal mines, and you also forgot to mention that coal companies are allowed to redesignate what the original state was, changing it to something it wasn't to begin with. Like a storage area for spent diesel equipment as one coal company got away with doing.
And when I asked you about that, you referred back to the one sole example you've given me where a coal company restored a natural reserve back to what it used to be.
So it does seem you believe in being a good steward, but you also seem to turn a blind eye to a lot of things the Republicans support in this area. They want to start coal mining, and fracking, and new oil wells deep inside existing natural reservations. And you want me to believe these companies will be forced to restore it to pristine, original, natural state, and not merely to "grassland"?
My guess - assuming your numbers are correct - is that most coal mines aren't surface mines. Underground mines can't be 'restored'.
Show me where this redesignation thing is."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThis one works on wood gasification. Pretty interesting.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostHere's the Act.
My guess - assuming your numbers are correct - is that most coal mines aren't surface mines. Underground mines can't be 'restored'.
Show me where this redesignation thing is.
Several coal companies also just reapply the permit.
Typically the top soil isn’t restored but replaced by something grass and some shrub can grow in.
I’ll see if I have time to dig out the sources, but it as far as I know it’s only 6% of closer coal surface mines that have been even partially reclaimed. The rest are left as is.
The coal companies have happily passed the bill to others.
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Here a mining company applied for repermit designating the intended use of the area as ‘Mining equipment storage’
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...plication.html
Sparko, Cow Poke, do you call that proper restoration?Last edited by Leonhard; 09-24-2019, 03:20 PM.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View Post77-page tome right before bed time. Yikes. I’ll see if I can fish it out, but there’s nothing that I see about them restoring say a forested area back to anything other than ‘grassland’.
Several coal companies also just reapply the permit.
Typically the top soil isn’t restored but replaced by something grass and some shrub can grow in.
I’ll see if I have time to dig out the sources, but it as far as I know it’s only 6% of closer coal surface mines that have been even partially reclaimed. The rest are left as is.
The coal companies have happily passed the bill to others.
My grandpa sold the mineral rights to a mountain on his land in Appalachia and when they were done, they restored it back to the way it was originally, albeit with baby trees. Today you can't tell where the mine was.
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The simplest tactic used by most of the mines is simply to designate the intended use of the land as ‘grazing’ even though in 77% of the cases this wasn’t the original state of the land, and it doesn’t end up being used for grazing.
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...784-OH-09.html
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIt might depend on who owns the land. A lot of strip mining is done on private property where the owner sells the mineral rights. The owner probably controls how the land is restored. If they leased out forested land but wanted it cleared, they could probably just tell the mine company to restore it to grassland. Or a shopping mall. This is just a guess, btw.
My grandpa sold the mineral rights to a mountain on his land in Appalachia and when they were done, they restored it back to the way it was originally, albeit with baby trees. Today you can't tell where the mine was.
Do you agree that this is not proper restoration?
So can you or Cow Poke be reassuring when you’re trying to tell me that coal mining in nature preserves won’t harm it?
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostHere a mining company applied for repermit designating the intended use of the area as ‘Mining equipment storage’
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...plication.html
Sparko, Cow Poke, do you call that proper restoration?
Read the darn application! The waiver is for LESS THAN AN ACRE - the permit area is over 5000 acres!! They just want to keep the loadout (basically the gate/office area) in use, not the whole mine.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostBut Sparko your example is obviously a sunshine example. If these reports I’m reading (I’ll post them later), most of the reclamation being done is just slapping gravel and clay on top of the mine, planting grass and calling it a day.
Do you agree that this is not proper restoration?
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostThe simplest tactic used by most of the mines is simply to designate the intended use of the land as ‘grazing’ even though in 77% of the cases this wasn’t the original state of the land, and it doesn’t end up being used for grazing.
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...784-OH-09.html"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostPage?
I better not argue anymore. It’s too bad that you guys get active around my bed time.
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