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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNo it is not. You lack the fundamental knowledge in the biological science to make such a statement.
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Lee
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostI noted a claim that RNA had been synthesized, "RNA has been synthesized in conditions that may have resembled those on the early Earth." Only they didn't synthesize RNA, so this claim is false.
Well, without homochirality you don't get a biomolecule, in all probability.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostWhere do who synthesize RNA?
There are no dents in claims, nor claims as you interpret them. Scientific knowledge builds over time with progressive research and discoveries.
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostSo where do they synthesize RNA?
But is it racemic? Probably so, and if so, puts a dent in their claim.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNo, it does not claim too much it claims what it claims read again...
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostIt seems they synthesized the bases for RNA, but not RNA itself, for RNA, you need ribose. This statement claims too much, as does the claim that they can form under one set of conditions, which turns out to be two sets of conditions.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostBack to REAL science.
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The problem of phosphorus in the abiogenesis of life may be resolved. Phosphorus is necessary for abiogenesis, but the problem was how it could naturally avaialble for the beginning of life.
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Originally posted by TheLurch View PostHope you're feeling better.
Specifics are kind of what i'm asking for. I accept that any science is liable to error - it's done by humans, after all. But you keep saying "skew" is a risk, and you keep calling experiments like this designed, and i'm asking for specifics: what exactly could be skewed when an experiment is (to give a hypothetical) just starting with a bunch of chemicals that we've observed on comets? What's the element of design in doing that?
We know (in the epistemological sense) comets represent the early earth? The weakest link in any argument is the assumptions it's predicated on - like assuming (I'm presuming with darn good reason) that comets reflect the early earth.
I'm arguing two different things - and we seem to agree on one. Intellect/design/human propensity for error are interlinked in my argument regarding methodology. And you hit on it with "it's done by humans, after all". Operative term is 'done'. Intellect (where we started this) is integral to experimentation - someone has to figure out how to neutrally contain all those comet chemicals at the very least. Designing an experiment is in fact a form of design.
For methodology - selecting which chemicals go in which cup and in what amounts and when they will be combined - all that 'design' - my point is merely that we humans not only make factual errors but errors of assumption - the later will be most likely in the design phase. For example, are we using comets or ice cores to guide our choices in what experiment to do. Our assumptions of how well each reflects the early earth guides the choice - but even well founded assumptions can be wrong.
Your example 'starts' at the end - we've decided comets work best and are ready to start mixing stuff. But the design phase beings well before we're slinging flasks around (chem lab is not for the faint of heart - at least it wasn't at NMIMT!) - it's in the decision making, not the flasks.
The second argument is the one with Shuny about using a designed experiment of any sort to prove naturalism (can't). That hasn't diddly-squat to do with experimental design (other than the fact of) or methodology. And no, it's of no issue with what you pour in your flasks.
Hmm, was that the problem? Design comes into play in both but in vastly different ways.
With 50,000 and counting, I get the feeling sometimes that English needs more words!Last edited by Teallaura; 10-03-2019, 10:33 PM.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostThe problem persists because humans be humans - there's always the potential for skew/error when people design anything, including experiments. But the exacerbation I suspect occurs in computer modelling wouldn't be at issue.
Beyond that I don't want to tackle epistemological questions outside specifics - you touched on the same several posts ago.
Specifics are kind of what i'm asking for. I accept that any science is liable to error - it's done by humans, after all. But you keep saying "skew" is a risk, and you keep calling experiments like this designed, and i'm asking for specifics: what exactly could be skewed when an experiment is (to give a hypothetical) just starting with a bunch of chemicals that we've observed on comets? What's the element of design in doing that?
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostWhich defeats your postulate. One cannot use design to disprove design.
Science does not prove nor disprove anything. The Discovery Institute for Intelligent design has failed to provide any falsifiable hypothesis to support Intelligent Design.
Still waiting . . .Last edited by shunyadragon; 10-03-2019, 07:14 PM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe introduction of intelligence is human intelligence. Science is descriptive using theories, hypothesis, and models to simulate natural process based on the nature and limits of the Laws of Nature. The only intelligence involved in science is human intelligence.
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