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  • New research in parallel evolution - Not all crabs are closely related.

    Research on crabs reveal parallel evolution of five unrelated groups, An example of the environment is the cause for evolution. Also described here is parallel evolution in birds.

    Source: https://theconversation.com/crabs-have-evolved-five-separate-times-why-do-the-same-forms-keep-appearing-in-nature-195739



    Crabs have evolved five separate times – why do the same forms keep appearing in nature?


    Published: December 6, 2022 6.08am ESTAuthor

    Professor of Evolutionary Palaeobiology at the Milner Centre for Evolution, University of BathDisclosure statement



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    Charles Darwin believed evolution created “endless forms most beautiful”. It’s a nice sentiment but it doesn’t explain why evolution keeps making crabs.

    Scientists have long wondered whether there are limits to what evolution can do or if Darwin had the right idea. The truth may lie somewhere between the two.

    While there doesn’t seem to be a ceiling on the number of species that might evolve, there may be restraints on how many fundamental forms those species can evolve into. The evolution of crab-like creatures may be one of the best examples of this, since they have evolved not just once but at least five times.

    Crabs belong to a group of crustaceans called decapods – literally “ten footed”, since they have five pairs of walking legs. Some decapods, like lobsters and shrimp, have a thick, muscular abdomen, which is the bulk of the animal that we eat. With a quick flick of their abdomen lobsters can shoot off backwards and escape predators.
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    Crabs, by contrast, have a compressed abdomen, tucked away under a flattened but widened thorax and shell. This allows them to scuttle into rock crevices for protection. Evolution repeatedly hit upon this solution because it works well under similar sets of circumstances.
    Five groups of “crabs”

    King crabs evolved from lobster-like ancestors within the Anomura. By CSIRO, CC BY 3.0, CC BYRedeye sponge crabs carry sponges with them for camouflage. Porco_Rosso/Shutterstock
    The largest crab group are the Brachyura (true crabs) including the edible crab and Atlantic blue crab. They had an ancestor that was also crab shaped. Some species have evolved “backwards” and straightened out their abdomens again. The other large group are the Anomura (false crabs), with an ancestor that looked more like a lobster.
    Porcelain crabs superficially resemble true crabs. volkan yenel/Shutterstock
    However, at least four groups of Anomura – sponge crabs, porcelain crabs, king crabs and the Australian hairy stone crab – have independently evolved into a crab-like form in much the same way as the true crabs. Like the true crabs, their compact bodies are more defensive, and can move sideways faster.

    This means “crabs” aren’t a real biological group. They are a collection of branches in the decapod tree that evolved to look the same.
    Hairy stone crab (Lomis hirta) Tim Binns/Wikimedia, CC BY-SA
    But crabs aren’t the exception.

    Something similar happened in the evolution of birds from feathered dinosaurs. Feathers may have first evolved for insulation, to attract mates, for protecting eggs and possibly also as “nets” for catching prey. Millions of years later, feathers elongated and streamlined for flying.

    Palaeontologists disagree about the details, but all modern birds (Neoaves) evolved from ground-dwelling ancestors just after the mass extinction that wiped out the other dinosaurs. However, feathered wings and flight also evolved earlier in other groups of dinosaurs, including troodontids and dromaeosaurs. Some of these, like Microraptor, had four wings.

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  • #2
    Cool article, but it seems that they don't consider the possibility that "crabs" might be a man-made construct much like how "race" is, and that different organisms can develop crab-like features if the ecological niche they occupy favors crab-like creatures.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      Cool article, but it seems that they don't consider the possibility that "crabs" might be a man-made construct much like how "race" is, and that different organisms can develop crab-like features if the ecological niche they occupy favors crab-like creatures.
      Similar environments give rise to similar creatures. Why; it's almost as if evolution has a set of "laws" that might be likened to those of gravity or momentum.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        Cool article, but it seems that they don't consider the possibility that "crabs" might be a man-made construct much like how "race" is, and that different organisms can develop crab-like features if the ecological niche they occupy favors crab-like creatures.
        I believe the article describes the crabs and birds as more distantly related than what would be called a 'race' or even subspecies, but I will read further. For example parallel evolution in birds originate from distantly related feathered dinosaurs.
        Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
        Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
        But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

        go with the flow the river knows . . .

        Frank

        I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by tabibito View Post

          Similar environments give rise to similar creatures. Why; it's almost as if evolution has a set of "laws" that might be likened to those of gravity or momentum.
          Convergent evolution.

          Like how whether it be reptile, mammal or fish, some predatory marine creatures take on very similar features.



          A similar thing can be observed in placental mammals and marsupial mammals living in your neck of the woods


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          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #6
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            Cool article, but it seems that they don't consider the possibility that "crabs" might be a man-made construct much like how "race" is, and that different organisms can develop crab-like features if the ecological niche they occupy favors crab-like creatures.
            You're picking on Aunt Tilly again, aren't you?
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              You're picking on Aunt Tilly again, aren't you?
              The cheek pincher who I broke of her habit

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • #8
                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                The cheek pincher who I broke of her habit
                That's why she had one big claw and one little one?
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                  That's why she had one big claw and one little one?
                  why she quit pinching (and digging in while twisting) cheeks.

                  I thought she died years ago, but in a note last year from a cousin, she mentioned that her oldest had moved back home with her because of illness and passed shortly after.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                    That's why she had one big claw and one little one?
                    Right or left handed crabs?
                    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                    go with the flow the river knows . . .

                    Frank

                    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post

                      Right or left handed crabs?
                      Yes.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        Convergent evolution.

                        A similar thing can be observed in placental mammals and marsupial mammals living in your neck of the woods
                        ? I thought there were no placental mammals evolved here. The only placental mammals (before white settlement) were dingoes and some rodents - and they seem to have been brought in by the first settlers (Aboriginals). CHECKING I find also bats, but they seem to have flown in by themselves, and something called a Tingamarra porterorum dating to the Eocene: not to be confused with its contemporary, Tingamarra Alamitophis (for which Gondwanaland seems to be responsible).


                        3-s2.0-B0122268652001334-gr5.gif ​​​​​​​
                        I'm still rather impressed by the Aldabran flightless rails.
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                        Scripture before Tradition:
                        but that won't prevent others from
                        taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                        of the right to call yourself Christian.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                          ? I thought there were no placental mammals evolved here. The only placental mammals (before white settlement) were dingoes and some rodents - and they seem to have been brought in by the first settlers (Aboriginals). CHECKING I find also bats, but they seem to have flown in by themselves, and something called a Tingamarra porterorum dating to the Eocene: not to be confused with its contemporary, Tingamarra Alamitophis (for which Gondwanaland seems to be responsible).



                          I'm still rather impressed by the Aldabran flightless rails.
                          Placentals evolved (diversified and adapted) there after arriving. Placentals didn't originate there (in that sense of "evolved there"), having arisen in what today are the Americas.

                          I'm always still in trouble again

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                          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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                          • #14
                            One of the more intriguing articles I saw on this was one that pondered whether this might mean that we should expect to find crab-like forms if we ever discover life on an exoplanet.

                            https://arstechnica.com/science/2021...true-in-space/
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TheLurch View Post
                              One of the more intriguing articles I saw on this was one that pondered whether this might mean that we should expect to find crab-like forms if we ever discover life on an exoplanet.

                              https://arstechnica.com/science/2021...true-in-space/
                              I thought I had seen something about that but couldn't find any articles.

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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