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Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
Poke . . . poke . . . Even this is based on misinformation concerning Covid-19 and vaccines.That's what
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Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
At best the jabs reduced the severity of symptoms. Even the earliest literature said asymptotic transmission had to be ruled out. As the Texas Dems showed, getting the jab created a false sense of security which lead to them taking the virus on tour in DC. There are reports that multiple boosters are impacting immune systems. If anything, COVID proved modern life is not necessarily healthier than life in Africa.
Iirc, even Pfizer idiots conceded squires immunity was better than the shots. Of course, the CDC and FDA are failed institutions and are captured by Pfizer at this point.
The current strains are relatively mild ( barring idiots trying to make super-COVID by combined the earlier severe strain with less severe but more infections strains)."Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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Originally posted by TheLurch View Post
What is it about moving into a world where there are conspiracies everywhere that causes people to lose the ability to spell?P1) If , then I win.
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C) I win.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
No, addressed this long ago when some one {You?} proposed that the purpose of vaccines was to PREVENT infection. This has never been the case concerning Covid-19 vaccines.P1) If , then I win.
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C) I win.
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Originally posted by Stoic View PostFalse. When first introduced, the vaccines clearly reduced the chances of infection, and greatly reduced the likelihood of hospitalization or death. And for people who did get infected, the length of time they were contagious was reduced. So the vaccines had a significant impact on the spread of the virus.
There is no way to determine breakthrough rate and thus no way to determine the actual reduction of infection as one could be infected and asymptomatic and not get tested. In Oct 2021, there was found no significant viral load difference for vaccinated/unvaccinated with Delta. Reducing the spread of the virus or chances of infection =/= reducing the severity of infection.
From Dec 2020
These data do not address whether vaccination prevents asymptomatic infection
Any and all claims about prevention of infection by the jab was, by definition, misinformation. The study itself only tracked symptomatic Covid cases and for only 2 months after the second shot at the time of the data.
And there are still about 500 Americans a day dying of covid.
P1) If , then I win.
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Originally posted by Diogenes View PostOr just my brain goes faster than my fingers, ridiculously faster. So instead of actually rebutting what I said, you chose to address my spelling, why?
I can't "refute" some of what you said because it's not coherent enough. But, since you asked, I'll go through things point by point:
Originally posted by Diogenes View PostAt best the jabs reduced the severity of symptoms.
But here's a description of a study that shows that the vaccines reduced infection by delta, which is highly infectious and not the strain they were designed against. It also notes that the numbers on reducing infectivity weren't statistically robust, but they "raise concern that the effect of vaccination on reducing transmission might be lower for the delta variant." Which indicates that, prior to delta, they did reduce transmission.
Originally posted by Diogenes View PostEven the earliest literature said asymptotic transmission had to be ruled out.
Originally posted by Diogenes View PostThere are reports that multiple boosters are impacting immune systems.
Originally posted by Diogenes View PostIirc, even Pfizer idiots conceded squires immunity was better than the shots.
Originally posted by Diogenes View PostOf course, the CDC and FDA are failed institutions and are captured by Pfizer at this point.
Originally posted by Diogenes View PostThe current strains are relatively mild ( barring idiots trying to make super-COVID by combined the earlier severe strain with less severe but more infections strains).
"Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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Originally posted by Diogenes View PostThere is no way to determine breakthrough rate and thus no way to determine the actual reduction of infection as one could be infected and asymptomatic and not get tested. In Oct 2021, there was found no significant viral load difference for vaccinated/unvaccinated with Delta. Reducing the spread of the virus or chances of infection =/= reducing the severity of infection.
As for symptomatic infections, the peak viral load is similar for vaccinated/unvaccinated with Delta, but the viral load drops off much earlier for the vaccinated, which means they are infectious for a shorter period of time, and thus less likely to spread the virus.
From Dec 2020
These data do not address whether vaccination prevents asymptomatic infection
Any and all claims about prevention of infection by the jab was, by definition, misinformation. The study itself only tracked symptomatic Covid cases and for only 2 months after the second shot at the time of the data.
And claims that vaccinations would stop the virus in its tracks were consistent with how much the likelihood of transmission would be decreased, since the value of R would be much less than one.
Or dying with but not of Covid or dying with Covid and a comorbidity. If we followed the CDC's logic, George Floyd should rightfully be considered a Covid death as a knee on the neck certainly would be a comorbidity.
Of course, the larger issue is the US govt funding Chinese coronavirus research.
Funny enough, the US govt started funding a possible Covid treatment in May 2019. Why would there be a pilot program for a Covid treatment before, in all likelihood, Covid escaped from the Wuhan lab?
More plausible is that the "amended research plan" means that they were going to study the use of RTB101 for something else (like Clinically Symptomatic Respiratory Illness, perhaps), and later decided to study it as covid-19 prophylaxis.
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Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
Here is Joe Biden spreading misinformation about the Covid vaccine that if you have the shots, you're not going to get Covid.
Again No, addressed this long ago [with competent references] when some one {You?} proposed that the purpose of vaccines was to PREVENT infection. This has never been the case concerning Covid-19 vaccines.
Syoic gave a reasonable response to your questions in post #99..
Last edited by shunyadragon; 02-14-2023, 02:59 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Cross-posting here as well as the "Delta Variant" thread because six of the 10 debunked myths fit this category.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostCross-posting here as well as the "Delta Variant" thread because six of the 10 debunked myths fit this category.Last edited by shunyadragon; 03-01-2023, 10:15 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
Please cite science sources and NOT Yellow journalism New York rag loaded with selective misinformation to justify your anti-Vaxx and anti-science agenda.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
Dr. Makary cites the sources in his article, you amoeba-brained blithering buffoon.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostCross-posting here as well as the "Delta Variant" thread because six of the 10 debunked myths fit this category.
"Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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