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The Discontinuous Fossil Record Refutes Darwinian Gradualism
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostBechly is a published scientist, so his statements should be based on his knowledge.
You're doing an argument from authority, using someone who doesn't have much in the way of authority.
"Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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Originally posted by Stoic View PostIn order to refute Bechly's reasoning, someone has to precisely state his reasoning. Since he didn't do it, I'll give it a shot:
1) The average longevity of a species is between 2.5-10 million years.
2) The average longevity of a species is too short a time for the appearance of a new group of organisms with a new body plan, given Darwinian evolution.
Therefore,
3) Darwinian evolution can't explain a new group of organisms with a new body plan appearing within 5-10 million years.
The weak link in Bechly's reasoning appears to be (2), for which he provides no argument or evidence.
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostRadical transitions can occur within 5000 to 50000 years.
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by TheLurch View PostYou're doing an argument from authority, using someone who doesn't have much in the way of authority.
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostBechly's competence was called into question, so I stated reasons to believe his opinion. But I am not just arguing from authority.
You don't even care about telling the truth when it's right there for everyone else here to see."Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostNew body plans? I would need some evidence.
Blessings,
Lee
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by TheLurch View PostNo, that's not true. If you'd bother to go back to the original post, you'd see you were responding to someone who said Bechly made an unsupported assertion - there was nothing about his competence. You in fact are the one who started down a "trust him, he's published papers" path without any prompting.
Originally posted by rogue06What do you mean by "new body plan"? For instance, amphibians are tetrapods (vertebrates having four limbs or leg-like appendages) and so is pretty much every animal that evolved from them including reptiles, birds and mammals. So be more precise about your meaning.
Blessings,
Lee
"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by TheLurch View PostSo you are in fact making an argument from authority, despite just denying it above?
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostI am not making a bald appeal to authority, I believe Bechly has a good argument, which I am seeking to defend.
Again, I'm a published scientist as well. If you'd like, I'll even have someone here we both trust verify my publication record, which includes papers in Nature and PNAS. Why do you accept his authority but not mine?"Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostSince a new species will typically be similar to the previous one, a whole new body plan would be unexpected.
That wasn't the case during the Cambrian explosion.
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostI'm assuming Bechly's experience in the field would support his assertions.
Well, based on Wikipedia's article on the Cambrian explosion, I would take Bechly's use of "body plan" to correspond roughly to animal phyla.
Blessings,
Lee
And when you are filling ecological or environmental niches, development (evolution) can be rapid.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostI am not making a bald appeal to authority, I believe Bechly has a good argument, which I am seeking to defend.
Blessings,
LeeLast edited by shunyadragon; 12-13-2021, 09:25 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Postmay beour missing the point of my posts. There may be many related diverse overlapping species,subspecies and varieties involved with the process of the evolution where new species as one of a group of related species. It is not one species evolving into another in a stepwise linear process of 5 to 10 million year The increments..It is the environment change and nature that drives evolution and natural selection. Evolution is NOT a linear process.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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