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Discovery of a Homo Naledi child between 230,000 and 335,000 years old.

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  • Discovery of a Homo Naledi child between 230,000 and 335,000 years old.

    [cite=https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/04/world/homo-naledi-child-fossil-scn/index.html]

    (CNN)For hundreds of thousands of years, the fossil of a small child has been hidden in the darkness of South Africa's Rising Star cave. The skull, from a child that was 4 to 6 years old at the time of death, is the first known to belong to an ancient human relative called Homo naledi.

    The child likely lived between 236,000 and 335,000 years ago, which is when other remains from the cave have been dated.
    "This is the first partial skull of a child of Homo naledi yet recovered and this begins to give us insight into all stages of life of this remarkable species," said Juliet Brophy, lead author of the study analyzing the skull, in a statement. Brophy is an associate professor at Louisiana State University and honorary research affiliate at the University of the Witwatersrand.It's unknown if the child was male or female, but researchers have nicknamed the fossil "Leti" and often refer to Leti as female. The name is short for "letimela," which means "the lost one" in the Setswana
    language, one of South Africa's 11 official languages



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    This is a reconstruction of the Leti skull found in the Rising Star cave system outside Johannesburg, South Africa. The research published in two papers in the journal PaleoAnthropology. One paper describes the skull itself and the other focuses on the location within the cave system where Leti was found.The research team that located the partial skull, which was assembled from 28 fragments and six teeth, was led by Lee Berger, a professor at the University of the Witwatersrand, who announced the discovery of the previously unknown Homo naledi species in 2015. There is no trace of the rest of Leti's body.

    It's unknown how Leti died, and her age is based on her teeth. "But at present we have not established exactly how fast Homo naledi children grew, so it is possible she was younger," the researchers said.Leti was found in 2017 in what is described as an incredibly remote passage of the Rising Star Cave System, about 39 feet (12 meters) from where Berger's team discovered the first Homo naledi remains in the Dinaledi Chamber. The cave system is located in the Cradle of Humankind, a UNESCO World Heritage Site in South Africa's Gauteng province.
    But how did Leti's skull come to be in the cave? The fragments of her cranium were retrieved from a limestone shelf in an extremely narrow passage only 5.9 inches (15 centimeters) wide by 31.4 inches (80 centimeters) in length. The shelf was about 31 inches above the current cave floor. It's possible that her skull was placed there on purpose. Researchers are still investigating if the cave system is truly a burial ground for Homo naledi.Previously, it was believed only modern humans buried their dead.Leti's discovery is similar to how Neo, the remains of an adult male Homo naledi from another chamber, were discovered in a narrow passage.
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    I must have missed the part that makes naledi "remarkable."
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      the black part is all guesswork? That's a lot of guesswork.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        the black part is all guesswork? That's a lot of guesswork.
        Needs more explanation and clarification since as before such objections are based on a religious agenda, and not th knowledge of comparative anatomy in paleontology.

        Second thought; the predictive success of the history of comparative anatomy in recent history demonstrates that this is a valid reconstruction supported by the fact that these are not the only Home Naledi fossil found to make the comparison.n
        Last edited by shunyadragon; 11-10-2021, 11:32 AM.
        Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
        Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
        But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

        go with the flow the river knows . . .

        Frank

        I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post

          Needs more explanation and clarification since as before such objections are based on a religious agenda, and not th knowledge of comparative anatomy in paleontology.

          Second thought; the predictive success of the history of comparative anatomy in recent history demonstrates that this is a valid reconstruction supported by the fact that these are not the only Home Naledi fossil found to make the comparison.n
          OK if they have other similar fossils then it makes sense. But religion has nothing to do with my comment.

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          • #6
            I think a source other than CNN would be better for this topic. The article calls this species "remarkable" but doesn't say why. The only thing I can figure is it claims "Previously, it was believed only modern humans buried their dead" but that is clearly bunk because it is pretty certain that Homo Erectus and Neanderthals buried their dead, and neither are "modern humans."
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ronson View Post
              I think a source other than CNN would be better for this topic. The article calls this species "remarkable" but doesn't say why. The only thing I can figure is it claims "Previously, it was believed only modern humans buried their dead" but that is clearly bunk because it is pretty certain that Homo Erectus and Neanderthals buried their dead, and neither are "modern humans."
              Neanderthals and Home Erectus are more modern in relationship to homo sapiens than the Nedali is a more primitive human ancestor.and yes likely coexisted with Neanderthal and Homo erectus. Yes, the article may be misleading and a more scientific original reference would be better. If I find one I will post it.
              Last edited by shunyadragon; 11-10-2021, 12:40 PM.
              Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
              Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
              But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

              go with the flow the river knows . . .

              Frank

              I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                the black part is all guesswork? That's a lot of guesswork.
                This isn't the first Homo naledi skull discovered.

                I'm always still in trouble again

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  This isn't the first Homo naledi skull discovered.
                  neat!
                  Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                  Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                  But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                  go with the flow the river knows . . .

                  Frank

                  I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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