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Covid-19 death toll equals and will likely exceed the 1918-1919 flu pandemic
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAnd let's not forget the flow of illegals coming in across the Southern border, mostly from countries experiencing their own spikes, processed and stuck on busses and shipped all over.
They don't require them to be tested (unless showing obvious signs of illness) much less get vaxxed like old Joe is demanding that everyone else might be.
Seriously, Monty Python wouldn't write this stuff as too outrageous even for them."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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On the serious side, the PCR is notoriously unreliable and has had a major sensitivity overhaul - which translates to highly suspect stats. Being fair the stats are so bad that we don't know which way the error lies. The things were way too sensitive but they also have false negative issues. I'm inclined to think the positives are over reported but they got a lot of weird negative results.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
Or aren't at significant risk and don't need six months of iffy protection.
1. Haas EJ, Angulo FJ, McLaughlin JM, et al. Impact and effectiveness of mRNA BNT162b2 vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 infections and COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths following a nationwide vaccination campaign in Israel: an observational study using national surveillance data. The Lancet. 2021;397(10287):1819-1829. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(21)00947-8
2. Antonelli M, Penfold RS, Merino J, et al. Risk factors and disease profile of post-vaccination SARS-CoV-2 infection in UK users of the COVID Symptom Study app: a prospective, community-based, nested, case-control study. The Lancet. Published online September 2021:S1473309921004606. doi:10.1016/S1473-3099(21)00460-6
3. Sheikh A, McMenamin J, Taylor B, Robertson C. SARS-CoV-2 Delta VOC in Scotland: demographics, risk of hospital admission, and vaccine effectiveness. The Lancet. 2021;397(10293):2461-2462. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(21)01358-1
4. Menni C, Klaser K, May A, et al. Vaccine side-effects and SARS-CoV-2 infection after vaccination in users of the COVID Symptom Study app in the UK: a prospective observational study. The Lancet. 2021;21(7):939-949. doi:10.1016/S1473-3099(21)00224-3
5. Lopez Bernal J, Andrews N, Gower C, et al. Effectiveness of Covid-19 Vaccines against the B.1.617.2 (Delta) Variant. N Engl J Med. 2021;385(7):585-594. doi:10.1056/NEJMoa2108891
6. Baden LR, El Sahly HM, Essink B, et al. Efficacy and Safety of the mRNA-1273 SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine. N Engl J Med. 2021;384(5):403-416. doi:10.1056/NEJMoa2035389
7. Polack FP, Thomas SJ, Kitchin N, et al. Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine. N Engl J Med. 2020;383(27):2603-2615. doi:10.1056/NEJMoa2034577
8. Barda N, Dagan N, Ben-Shlomo Y, et al. Safety of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine in a Nationwide Setting. N Engl J Med. 2021;385(12):1078-1090. doi:10.1056/NEJMoa2110475
9. Chemaitelly H, Yassine HM, Benslimane FM, et al. mRNA-1273 COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness against the B.1.1.7 and B.1.351 variants and severe COVID-19 disease in Qatar. Nat Med. 2021;27(9):1614-1621. doi:10.1038/s41591-021-01446-y
10. Choi A, Koch M, Wu K, et al. Safety and immunogenicity of SARS-CoV-2 variant mRNA vaccine boosters in healthy adults: an interim analysis. Nat Med. Published online September 15, 2021. doi:10.1038/s41591-021-01527-y
11. Largest real-world study of COVID-19 vaccine safety published by Israel’s Clalit Research Institute in The New England Journal of Medicine http://clalitresearch.org/largest-re...l-of-medicine/
12. Lopez Bernal J, Andrews N, Gower C, et al. Effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccines on covid-19 related symptoms, hospital admissions, and mortality in older adults in England: test negative case-control study. BMJ. Published online May 13, 2021:n1088. doi:10.1136/bmj.n1088
13. Pawlowski C, Lenehan P, Puranik A, et al. FDA-authorized mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are effective per real-world evidence synthesized across a multi-state health system. Med. 2021;2(8):979-992.e8. doi:10.1016/j.medj.2021.06.007
14. COVID Vaccination Status - King County
15. COVID-19: Illness After Vaccination. Wisconsin Department of Health Services. Published August 19, 2021.
16. COVID-19 Modeling, August 31, 2021 | Department of Financial Regulation.Last edited by CMD; 09-21-2021, 11:34 PM.
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Originally posted by CMD View Post
What's iffy about it? I don't pretend to be even close to an expert, but everything I've read from what I think are pretty darn good sources, such as The Lancet Infectious Diseases medical journal (1, 2, 3, 4), The New England Journal of Medicine (5, 6, 7, 8), Nature Medicine (9, 10), the Clalit Research Institute (11), The BMJ (12), et. el. (13, 14, 15, 16) strongly points to the vaccines as being in the category of "incredibly effective and incredibly safe" and not at all "iffy."
1. Haas EJ, Angulo FJ, McLaughlin JM, et al. Impact and effectiveness of mRNA BNT162b2 vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 infections and COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths following a nationwide vaccination campaign in Israel: an observational study using national surveillance data. The Lancet. 2021;397(10287):1819-1829. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(21)00947-8
2. Antonelli M, Penfold RS, Merino J, et al. Risk factors and disease profile of post-vaccination SARS-CoV-2 infection in UK users of the COVID Symptom Study app: a prospective, community-based, nested, case-control study. The Lancet. Published online September 2021:S1473309921004606. doi:10.1016/S1473-3099(21)00460-6
3. Sheikh A, McMenamin J, Taylor B, Robertson C. SARS-CoV-2 Delta VOC in Scotland: demographics, risk of hospital admission, and vaccine effectiveness. The Lancet. 2021;397(10293):2461-2462. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(21)01358-1
4. Menni C, Klaser K, May A, et al. Vaccine side-effects and SARS-CoV-2 infection after vaccination in users of the COVID Symptom Study app in the UK: a prospective observational study. The Lancet. 2021;21(7):939-949. doi:10.1016/S1473-3099(21)00224-3
5. Lopez Bernal J, Andrews N, Gower C, et al. Effectiveness of Covid-19 Vaccines against the B.1.617.2 (Delta) Variant. N Engl J Med. 2021;385(7):585-594. doi:10.1056/NEJMoa2108891
6. Baden LR, El Sahly HM, Essink B, et al. Efficacy and Safety of the mRNA-1273 SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine. N Engl J Med. 2021;384(5):403-416. doi:10.1056/NEJMoa2035389
7. Polack FP, Thomas SJ, Kitchin N, et al. Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine. N Engl J Med. 2020;383(27):2603-2615. doi:10.1056/NEJMoa2034577
8. Barda N, Dagan N, Ben-Shlomo Y, et al. Safety of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine in a Nationwide Setting. N Engl J Med. 2021;385(12):1078-1090. doi:10.1056/NEJMoa2110475
9. Chemaitelly H, Yassine HM, Benslimane FM, et al. mRNA-1273 COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness against the B.1.1.7 and B.1.351 variants and severe COVID-19 disease in Qatar. Nat Med. 2021;27(9):1614-1621. doi:10.1038/s41591-021-01446-y
10. Choi A, Koch M, Wu K, et al. Safety and immunogenicity of SARS-CoV-2 variant mRNA vaccine boosters in healthy adults: an interim analysis. Nat Med. Published online September 15, 2021. doi:10.1038/s41591-021-01527-y
11. Largest real-world study of COVID-19 vaccine safety published by Israel’s Clalit Research Institute in The New England Journal of Medicine http://clalitresearch.org/largest-re...l-of-medicine/
12. Lopez Bernal J, Andrews N, Gower C, et al. Effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccines on covid-19 related symptoms, hospital admissions, and mortality in older adults in England: test negative case-control study. BMJ. Published online May 13, 2021:n1088. doi:10.1136/bmj.n1088
13. Pawlowski C, Lenehan P, Puranik A, et al. FDA-authorized mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are effective per real-world evidence synthesized across a multi-state health system. Med. 2021;2(8):979-992.e8. doi:10.1016/j.medj.2021.06.007
14. COVID Vaccination Status - King County
15. COVID-19: Illness After Vaccination. Wisconsin Department of Health Services. Published August 19, 2021.
16. COVID-19 Modeling, August 31, 2021 | Department of Financial Regulation.
What is "incredible" is that they are considered at all "effective," when there are still recommendations that the vaxees need to be protected from the Great Unvaxed.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
How about some coherent responses and sources to defend your negative assertions.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
Great self portrait!!!!!! That of course reflects your self imposed ignorance on the subject.
How about some coherent responses and sources to defend your negative assertions.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Try the "I'm rubber, you're glue" one, Shuny.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
Bovine scat.
What is "incredible" is that they are considered at all "effective," when there are still recommendations that the vaxees need to be protected from the Great Unvaxed.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
Great self portrait!!!!!! That of course reflects your self imposed ignorance on the subject.
How about some coherent responses and sources to defend your negative assertions.That's what
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostRespond coherently and not the bouncy 'rubber blubber' response.
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The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
I wish I was that famous. Dude makes BANK. And some bomb chili too from what I've heard.
I probably know more about the subject than you do Frank. My daughter has done COVID testing for almost 1 1/2 years. We talk. The fact of the matter is that this virus, and especially Delta, is NOT "particularly among the unvaccinated." Multiple studies show the vaccinated are getting it at a decent rate too. But I'm recovered and unvaccinated, so I don't fit neatly into your "particularly among the unvaccinated" statement, so you should either clarify it or expect me to continue to laugh at you.
It remains a fact that you do not respond coherently with references to support your assertions. Just idiot noise like Cow PokeyGlendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou know, Shuny, sometimes you can actually make sense and sound intelligent.
Other times, you act like a doofus coming off a 3-day drunk.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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