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  • shunyadragon
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    Originally posted by TheLurch View Post
    Nope. modern humans hadn't left Africa in any significant numbers until about 60,000 years ago, and human populations were relatively small, sparse, and limited to favorable environments until about 12,000 years ago when the last ice age ended.

    We're currently exposing ourselves to viruses that have no significant history with humans.


    There is absolutely no evidence for this. It was suggested early in the pandemic, but it's become clear that even having had direct exposure to SARS-CoV-2 doesn't necessarily generate a protective immune response. Exposure to a more distantly related virus would necessarily provide even less protection.

    Also, for the most part, you don't "inherit immunity." * You develop it after exposure.


    * The exception being that there are some variants in the innate immune response that float around in the human population.
    I documented this in a previous thread and you ignored it and refused to respond.

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  • TheLurch
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    Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
    It is not only likely, but certain all the viruses today evolved with humans for hundreds of thousands of years.
    Nope. modern humans hadn't left Africa in any significant numbers until about 60,000 years ago, and human populations were relatively small, sparse, and limited to favorable environments until about 12,000 years ago when the last ice age ended.

    We're currently exposing ourselves to viruses that have no significant history with humans.

    Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
    There is an apparent inherited degree of immunity among the populations of Southeast Asia where Covid like viruses are likely endemic for at least thousands of years.
    There is absolutely no evidence for this. It was suggested early in the pandemic, but it's become clear that even having had direct exposure to SARS-CoV-2 doesn't necessarily generate a protective immune response. Exposure to a more distantly related virus would necessarily provide even less protection.

    Also, for the most part, you don't "inherit immunity." * You develop it after exposure.


    * The exception being that there are some variants in the innate immune response that float around in the human population.

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
    It is not only likely, but certain all the viruses today evolved with humans for hundreds of thousands of years.

    There is an apparent inherited degree of immunity among the populations of Southeast Asia where Covid like viruses are likely endemic for at least thousands of years.
    Is there actual concrete evidence of a "inherited degree of immunity" such as higher survival rates among those who get it, or far more "minor cases," than seen elsewhere?

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  • shunyadragon
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    It is not only likely, but certain all the viruses today evolved with humans for hundreds of thousands of years.

    There is an apparent inherited degree of immunity among the populations of Southeast Asia where Covid like viruses are likely endemic for at least thousands of years.

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  • rogue06
    started a topic Ancient Covid?

    Ancient Covid?

    Well this is interesting...


    Source: Ancient RNA virus epidemics occurred frequently during human evolution

    • Genome adaptations may offer insight into a viral epidemic as far back as 25,000 years.
    • Several lines of evidence point to a coronavirus or similar virus that emerged among the ancestors of East Asian people.
    • Identifying ancient viral activity may uncover the potential of evolutionary genomic methods to predict and combat future pandemics.

    A team of scientists, which researchers at the University of Arizona in Tucson and the University of Adelaide in South Australia co-led, delved into human genomes to find a correlation between ancient coronavirus epidemics and past adaptation in modern humans.

    They hope that understanding the effect of past pandemics on genetic mutations will give scientists more “ammunition” in the arms race against SARS-CoV-2 variants.

    Yassine Souilmi, Ph.D., the lead author of the paper, is a postdoctoral research associate at the Australian Centre for Ancient DNA. He and his fellow researchers published their findings in the June 2021 edition of Current Biology.

    The authors explain in their article:

    Here, we apply evolutionary analyses to human genomic datasets to recover selection events involving tens of human genes that interact with coronaviruses, including SARS-CoV-2, that likely started more than 20,000 years ago.


    VIPs and RNA viruses

    Throughout human history, positive natural selection has often targeted virus-interacting proteins (VIPs). VIPs either work in building immunity or get hijacked by viruses.

    This natural selection has persisted over the past 50,000 years, especially around VIPs that react to RNA viruses, such as coronaviruses.

    According to Souilmi and his team:

    The accumulated evidence suggests that ancient RNA virus epidemics have occurred frequently during human evolution; however, we currently do not know whether selection has made a substantial contribution to the evolution of human genes that interact more specifically with coronaviruses.


    Investigating VIP adaptations

    Souilmi’s team culled genetic data from the 1000 Genomes Project, a vast catalog of human genetic variations.

    Two statistical analyses detected genetic signals known as selective sweeps.

    The researchers looked for selective sweep modifications among more than 400 VIPs that interact with coronaviruses (CoV-VIPS). They investigated data from across 26 populations.

    Relying on evidence that VIPs are what viruses harness to take over host cells, they focused on these genes. They also took this approach because VIPs tend to exert a greater functional influence on viruses compared with other proteins.

    Sweep signals more than 900 generations

    The scientists discovered a pattern of antiviral modifications in sweep signals at 42 CoV-VIPs in five East Asian populations. This enrichment did not appear in other populations.

    The team reported:

    …[O]ur results are consistent with the emergence of a viral epidemic… ∼25,000 years (28 years per generation) ago that drove a burst of strong positive selection in East Asia. [These] selection events […] clearly predate the estimated split of different East Asian populations included in the 1000 Genomes Project from their shared ancestral population.


    The observed mutations may have steadily increased in frequency until about 200 generations, or an estimated 5,000 years, ago.

    Also, the CoV-VIP proteins demonstrate antiviral and proviral effects and variations that affect SARS-CoV-2 susceptibility and COVID-19 severity in the current British population.

    However, the paper notes that such adaptations in certain human populations do not imply that those populations are more susceptible to viral epidemics.

    Medical News Today asked Martin Bachmann, Ph.D., an immunologist and professor of vaccinology at the University of Oxford’s Jenner Institute in the United Kingdom and the University of Bern in Switzerland, for his perspective on this research:

    "For me, it is quite stunning that you can analyze epidemics from 20,000 years ago without actually looking at a sample that is older than a few years. It shows that there is an awful lot of information buried in the genome of the whole population rather than individual genomes."

    Harnessing evolutionary information to fight COVID-19

    Souilmi and his fellow researchers anticipate that their findings will assist in developing drugs and therapies.

    Currently, 11 drugs in use or in clinical trials target four of the 42 CoV-VIP genes that the team analyzed.

    MNT also spoke with William Schaffner, M.D., professor of infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, TN.

    Schaffner also hopes that this kind of research will lead to medical interventions "so that we can weather the pandemic and begin to control it in a much safer way than letting the virus itself have its way with us."

    The professor noted that to develop genetic protection against the ancient virus, the East Asian populations likely faced a very high death rate. Building natural immunity comes at a high price that the modern world might avoid with scientific breakthroughs.

    The study’s limitations

    Souilmi and his co-authors caution that the datasets that they used in some of their evaluations derived from modern populations with different ancestries than the East Asian subsets where the CoV-VIP genes appeared.

    Ancient DNA samples might validate the progression of CoV-VIP mutations, but they are yet to be discovered.

    The researchers also note that their population genomics approach could not pinpoint the causal variants for the CoV-VIP proteins that they examined in the East Asian ancestors.

    They mention the possibility that a different virus using similar VIPs as coronaviruses might have sparked the adaptations they observed.

    It is worth noting that one of the study’s authors is a consultant with Maze Therapeutics and Interline Therapeutics and has received stocks from them. They are also a shareholder of Tenaya Therapeutics. The other authors declared no competing interests.



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    The entire paper, An ancient viral epidemic involving host coronavirus interacting genes more than 20,000 years ago in East Asia can be read in its entirety by clicking on the hyperlink provided, and the "abstract" is available below

    Highlights

    •Ancient viral epidemics can be identified through adaptation in host genomes
    •Genomes in East Asia bear the signature of an ∼25,000-year-old viral epidemic
    •Functional analysis supports an ancient corona- or related virus epidemic

    Summary

    The current severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) pandemic has emphasized the vulnerability of human populations to novel viral pressures, despite the vast array of epidemiological and biomedical tools now available. Notably, modern human genomes contain evolutionary information tracing back tens of thousands of years, which may help identify the viruses that have impacted our ancestors—pointing to which viruses have future pandemic potential. Here, we apply evolutionary analyses to human genomic datasets to recover selection events involving tens of human genes that interact with coronaviruses, including SARS-CoV-2, that likely started more than 20,000 years ago. These adaptive events were limited to the population ancestral to East Asian populations. Multiple lines of functional evidence support an ancient viral selective pressure, and East Asia is the geographical origin of several modern coronavirus epidemics. An arms race with an ancient coronavirus, or with a different virus that happened to use similar interactions as coronaviruses with human hosts, may thus have taken place in ancestral East Asian populations. By learning more about our ancient viral foes, our study highlights the promise of evolutionary information to better predict the pandemics of the future. Importantly, adaptation to ancient viral epidemics in specific human populations does not necessarily imply any difference in genetic susceptibility between different human populations, and the current evidence points toward an overwhelming impact of socioeconomic factors in the case of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).


    So coronaviruses may have been infecting humans for tens of thousands of years.




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