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  • Which Vaccine

    OK, I figure my natural immunity is probably worn off by now, or nearly has. I was sick with covid in April/May of 2020, and I would be surprised if it is still potent.

    So, what is the best, most effective, safest vaccine out there? Anybody?

  • #2
    Pfizer and Moderna are about equal from everything I have read. The Pfizer one has a slightly higher percentage of how well it protects like 95% v 94.1%.

    Here is an article comparing the vaccines:

    https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/02/...hnson-johnson/

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    • #3
      Cool. I remember Lurch saying one vaccine was mostly "worthless" but I couldn't recall the name. It has probably fallen into disuse (not mentioned in the article). PfIzer is the easiest one for me to obtain. Thanks

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      • #4
        They have pretty much stopped giving the AstraZeneca here because of related blood clot issues, and they don't even talk about the Johnson one. I've had Moderna, a sister has had the Pfizer.

        They are recommending here that anyone who has had AstraZeneca as their first shot should get Moderna or Pfizer instead. Even our Little Pierre PM got Moderna for his second shot.


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        • #5
          Originally posted by Ronson View Post
          Cool. I remember Lurch saying one vaccine was mostly "worthless" but I couldn't recall the name. It has probably fallen into disuse (not mentioned in the article). PfIzer is the easiest one for me to obtain. Thanks
          Wasn't that hydroxychloroquine sulfate?
          When I Survey....

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Faber View Post

            Wasn't that hydroxychloroquine sulfate?
            I think it was the AstraZeneca that Mossrose mentioned

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ronson View Post
              Cool. I remember Lurch saying one vaccine was mostly "worthless" but I couldn't recall the name. It has probably fallen into disuse (not mentioned in the article). PfIzer is the easiest one for me to obtain. Thanks
              FWIU, J&J was the only other brand that was available in the US, and while its use was suspended I don't recall hearing criticism concerning its effectiveness

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              • #8
                Ok, number of things.

                I think Ronson is thinking of the discussion Rogue and I had about the two vaccines from Chinese companies that are based on inactivated viruses, and don't appear to be nearly as effective as most alternatives. They're not totally worthless, but they are definitely in "must have boosters from some other vaccine" territory.

                The two mRNA vaccines appear to be effective against all current variants, but only after two doses. J&J takes longer (~6 weeks) after the injection to reach similar levels of protection, and the company released some early data indicating it's effective against the delta variant.

                J&J does have a very rare blood clotting side effect, same as AstraZenica - not surprising, since they're based on the same technology. AstraZenica's been... weird. The company sent out a press release with numbers that didn't agree with the ones that eventually came out in a peer reviewed study, and it never even tried to get an Emergency Use Authorization in the US. It's probably fine, but it's just a little bit off. Russia's Sputnik also seems to be good, but again, the company's data on it definitely had some oddities.

                Novavax has also released data that looks very good, and should be available in positively huge quantities by the end of the year, but is only just ramping up. There are a large number of others in various stages of development.

                As far as we can tell, none of these prevent infections entirely. Instead, the infections are shorter, less likely to be symptomatic, and far less likely to require hospitalization. People who do get infected after vaccination are far less infectious as well. It's also clear that the virus is evolving in a way that allows it to avoid the immune response generated by both prior infections and vaccines. The most dangerous variant circulating currently is delta, and the vaccines all do somewhat worse against that: more symptomatic infections, more hospitalizations, etc. The good vaccines still keep people alive, but the margins of error are getting smaller.

                The risk of further evolution that cuts down the effectiveness of the vaccines is why nobody's ruling out a need for boosters specifically designed for variants yet. There's also been no indication that the evolution of the virus has made it any less lethal.

                The most important thing all of us can do is to keep from getting infected. The fewer infections there are anywhere, the smaller the virus population, and the fewer chances the virus will have for further evolution. This is why we should also support our countries' efforts to roll out vaccines globally, even if we're simply selfish about things: it ultimately protects us.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TheLurch View Post
                  Ok, number of things.

                  I think Ronson is thinking of the discussion Rogue and I had about the two vaccines from Chinese companies that are based on inactivated viruses, and don't appear to be nearly as effective as most alternatives. They're not totally worthless, but they are definitely in "must have boosters from some other vaccine" territory.

                  The two mRNA vaccines appear to be effective against all current variants, but only after two doses. J&J takes longer (~6 weeks) after the injection to reach similar levels of protection, and the company released some early data indicating it's effective against the delta variant.

                  J&J does have a very rare blood clotting side effect, same as AstraZenica - not surprising, since they're based on the same technology. AstraZenica's been... weird. The company sent out a press release with numbers that didn't agree with the ones that eventually came out in a peer reviewed study, and it never even tried to get an Emergency Use Authorization in the US. It's probably fine, but it's just a little bit off. Russia's Sputnik also seems to be good, but again, the company's data on it definitely had some oddities.

                  Novavax has also released data that looks very good, and should be available in positively huge quantities by the end of the year, but is only just ramping up. There are a large number of others in various stages of development.

                  As far as we can tell, none of these prevent infections entirely. Instead, the infections are shorter, less likely to be symptomatic, and far less likely to require hospitalization. People who do get infected after vaccination are far less infectious as well. It's also clear that the virus is evolving in a way that allows it to avoid the immune response generated by both prior infections and vaccines. The most dangerous variant circulating currently is delta, and the vaccines all do somewhat worse against that: more symptomatic infections, more hospitalizations, etc. The good vaccines still keep people alive, but the margins of error are getting smaller.

                  The risk of further evolution that cuts down the effectiveness of the vaccines is why nobody's ruling out a need for boosters specifically designed for variants yet. There's also been no indication that the evolution of the virus has made it any less lethal.

                  The most important thing all of us can do is to keep from getting infected. The fewer infections there are anywhere, the smaller the virus population, and the fewer chances the virus will have for further evolution. This is why we should also support our countries' efforts to roll out vaccines globally, even if we're simply selfish about things: it ultimately protects us.
                  A couple months back the head of Johnson & Johnson was saying something about needing yearly shots for several years. I don't know if he was talking like booster shots or more like what we see with flu shots.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TheLurch View Post
                    The risk of further evolution that cuts down the effectiveness of the vaccines is why nobody's ruling out a need for boosters specifically designed for variants yet. There's also been no indication that the evolution of the virus has made it any less lethal.

                    The most important thing all of us can do is to keep from getting infected. The fewer infections there are anywhere, the smaller the virus population, and the fewer chances the virus will have for further evolution. This is why we should also support our countries' efforts to roll out vaccines globally, even if we're simply selfish about things: it ultimately protects us.
                    FTR, Drs. Risch and McCullough directly reject the bolded portions in this video clip from around June 29.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
                      FTR, Drs. Risch and McCullough directly reject the bolded portions in this video clip from around June 29.
                      I'm looking forward to seeing data backing up their claim.

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                      • #12
                        My family had Moderna. Though I know some who had the JJ, mostly cause its one dose.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                          I'm looking forward to seeing data backing up their claim.
                          Dr. McCullough cited a study in England. I'm not going to bother tracking it down.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

                            Dr. McCullough cited a study in England. I'm not going to bother tracking it down.
                            Me neither. But I'm also not going to take his word for what conclusions should be drawn from said study.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

                              Dr. McCullough cited a study in England. I'm not going to bother tracking it down.
                              Most diseases will evolve to be less deadly, because that way they spread easier and further. Killing off the host is bad business.

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