Covid heresies

[NorrinRadd]

Laura with Risch and McCullough June 17 --

Masks of dubious value.

Exposure to Covid gives long-term immunity.

Vaccines being pushed excessively.

[NorrinRadd]

Tom Levy.

Vax dangerous.

The basic way it operates -- causing the body to produce the "spike protein" -- has many adverse consequences.

[NorrinRadd]

Laura with Risch and McCullough (with clips of Smith) on HCQ, etc., from June 12 -- https://video.foxnews.com/v/6258488535001#sp=show-clips

[NorrinRadd]

So far have not been able to locate video of tonight's ep. of the Ingraham Angle segment featuring Dr. McCullough citing evidence from a large study in England showing that "Muller's Ratchet" is working, and the delta-variant is actually much *less* virulent than the earlier versions.

[Sparko]

Tom Levy.

Vax dangerous.

The basic way it operates -- causing the body to produce the "spike protein" -- has many adverse consequences.

Just reading through that quickly I can tell it is complete BS.

The most glaring error is claiming the spike protein replicates perpetually once in the cell. That is nonsense. From what I understand the mRNA chain that produces the spikes is only read once and is destroyed or degraded after it is transcribed. Once they are all read and broken down, the spikes are no longer produced. Also the actual mRNA chain itself just degrades by natural processes. This is why the vaccines have to be kept at such low temperatures. Once injected into the body their lifespan is just a few days, whether transcribed or not.

You are starting to sound like Mike with all this antivax nonsense.

[Ronson]

There are risks with everything, it's just a matter of weighing them. If I was 20 y.o. and having the vaccine pushed at me, I would likely refuse. But seeing as I am 61, I will probably get it eventually since my age group is more at risk. I'm just not in a hurry since I've already had it.

[TheLurch]

Why have you decided that a cardiologist knows more about infectious disease and epidemiology than all the specialists in those fields?

[NorrinRadd]

Why have you decided that a cardiologist knows more about infectious disease and epidemiology than all the specialists in those fields?

Obviously you are using "all" in the hyperbolic sense.

Dr. Risch is an epidemiologist. He noted the overstated benefits of masks. He's also been a continuous advocate of both HCQ and Ivermectin.

Dr. Stephen M. Smith is an infectious disease specialist and has been one of the main promoters of HCQ.

Besides that, specializations in infectious diseases and/or epidemiology are not the only relevant fields, given the various organ systems affected by Covid, nor are they the only people able to read and understand published research.

Dr. Qanta Ahmed is a pulmonologist who advocates for HCQ based on both published research and her own clinical experience.

Dr. Ramin Oskoui is a cardiologist who advocates for HCQ based at least on his own clinical experience.

[NorrinRadd]

Just reading through that quickly I can tell it is complete BS.

The most glaring error is claiming the spike protein replicates perpetually once in the cell. That is nonsense. From what I understand the mRNA chain that produces the spikes is only read once and is destroyed or degraded after it is transcribed. Once they are all read and broken down, the spikes are no longer produced. Also the actual mRNA chain itself just degrades by natural processes. This is why the vaccines have to be kept at such low temperatures. Once injected into the body their lifespan is just a few days, whether transcribed or not.

Fair point. He cited a lot of references, but I didn't notice that he didn't cite any for the idea that the vax-induced spike protein persists.

You are starting to sound like Mike with all this antivax nonsense.

I don't really take that as an insult.

[NorrinRadd]

Tangential nerd question:

"Science says" the virus makes use of ACE receptors. Several of the papers cited by Dr. Levy suggest that some therapies and prophylactics that are claimed to work, do so at least in part by blocking the virus from the ACE receptors.

Is there any research on whether ARB anti-hypertensives have any effect?

[TheLurch]

Obviously you are using "all" in the hyperbolic sense.

Dr. Risch is an epidemiologist. He noted the overstated benefits of masks. He's also been a continuous advocate of both HCQ and Ivermectin.

Dr. Stephen M. Smith is an infectious disease specialist and has been one of the main promoters of HCQ.

Besides that, specializations in infectious diseases and/or epidemiology are not the only relevant fields, given the various organ systems affected by Covid, nor are they the only people able to read and understand published research.

Dr. Qanta Ahmed is a pulmonologist who advocates for HCQ based on both published research and her own clinical experience.

Dr. Ramin Oskoui is a cardiologist who advocates for HCQ based at least on his own clinical experience.

Ok, so this is about chloroquine now? I thought it was about vaccines.

Anyway, yes, if you look hard enough you can find someone with an advanced degree who will say pretty much anything; the earth is 6,000 years old, HIV doesn't cause AIDS, etc. So digging up a handful of people with credentials that say something doesn't really tell us much. It's an attempt to make an argument from authority with a tiny number of authorities, when the vast excess of people with relevant expertise reject it.

And you yourself, by labelling them "heretics", have acknowledged that they represent a fringe opinion. My question was trying to get at why you seem anxious to believe that fringe regardless.

[shunyadragon]

Just reading through that quickly I can tell it is complete BS.

The most glaring error is claiming the spike protein replicates perpetually once in the cell. That is nonsense. From what I understand the mRNA chain that produces the spikes is only read once and is destroyed or degraded after it is transcribed. Once they are all read and broken down, the spikes are no longer produced. Also the actual mRNA chain itself just degrades by natural processes. This is why the vaccines have to be kept at such low temperatures. Once injected into the body their lifespan is just a few days, whether transcribed or not.

You are starting to sound like Mike with all this antivax nonsense.

Double BS. I detect QAnon influence. No science here.