Recent Covid-19 infections and the unvaccinated

[Stoic]

The fact remains that Fauci lied and admitted it, just tossing out any number he wanted. But while there is no exact number, there is a range where a disease will not be able to spread depending on it's R0 value (how infectious it is).

The problem is, we don't know exactly what the value of R0 is. But we know that it is different in different places, and that it changes over time. It changes with the weather, and it changes with people's behavior, and it's higher in places with a higher population density. And it gets higher with new variants.

We do know that if "enough" people are immune, then the prevalence of the disease will decrease. But "enough" for this summer won't necessarily be "enough" for the coming winter. And "enough" while people are still practicing social distancing won't necessarily be "enough" when they go back to their previous behavior.

As someone without immunity, your risk decreases whenever someone gets vaccinated. Fauci wants as many people as possible to be vaccinated. You should be on his side.

[Sparko]

There is no exact number needed for herd immunity. It's basically "the more, the better".

The fact remains that Fauci lied and admitted it, just tossing out any number he wanted. But while there is no exact number, there is a range where a disease will not be able to spread depending on it's R0 value (how infectious it is).

[rogue06]

You have pointed out nothing of substance nor provided any references to support your case.

Still waiting.

Some folks you just can't help.

[shunyadragon]

I'm pointing out that you are arguing with yourself and don't even appear to realize it. Go back and look at who you are addressing in post #52

You have pointed out nothing of substance nor provided any references to support your case.

Still waiting.

[Stoic]

Speaking of Herd Immunity...

Source: https://thefederalist.com/2021/05/27/how-anthony-fauci-made-himself-the-face-of-americas-institutional-decay/

Fauci lied about herd immunity too, first placing the number at 60 to 70 percent vaccination. Later, he upped the number to “70, 75 percent,” before it went up again to “75, 80, 85 percent.” Fauci admitted in December he was lying about required levels of vaccination to hit herd immunity because he kept reading about Americans hesitant to accept the vaccine.

“When polls said about half of all Americans would take a vaccine… I thought, ‘I can nudge this up a bit,'” Fauci told the Times.

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There is no exact number needed for herd immunity. It's basically "the more, the better".

[rogue06]

No, you have not provided any sources supporting your assertions zero,, zip, negatory and nada. . . and you are avoiding the conclusions of the references.

Still waiting . . .

I'm pointing out that you are arguing with yourself and don't even appear to realize it. Go back and look at who you are addressing in post #52

[shunyadragon]

Please take a look at post #52 again and who you are responding to.

No, you have not provided any sources supporting your assertions zero,, zip, negatory and nada. . . and you are avoiding the conclusions of the references.

Still waiting . . .

[rogue06]

Please take a look at post #52 again and who you are responding to.

[shunyadragon]

You were saying that your own accusation was not supported by facts.

No, you have not provided any sources supporting your assertions zero,, zip, negatory and nada. . . and you are avoiding the conclusions of the references.

Still waiting . . .

[rogue06]

Umm...

You were saying that your own accusation was not supported by facts.

[shunyadragon]

Umm...

Umm...

[rogue06]

I believe the statictics are valid here and you have not responded to them. If you wish to post onr that includes race in the mix do so. I may look myself. Rirst as usual your side steping and not responding to the facts.

Accusation not supported by facts. Still waiting for your source . . . .

Umm...

[shunyadragon]

I thought I made it clear that the statistics are incomplete and misleading, likely deliberately so.

Incomplete? Accusation not supported by facts. Still waiting for your source that would complete your accusation. . .

Any source would have to take into account that by far most blacks would be born again and evangelical Christians included in the poll above. .

[shunyadragon]

I believe the statictics are valid here and you have not responded to them. If you wish to post onr that includes race in the mix do so. I may look myself. Rirst as usual your side steping and not responding to the facts.

Accusation not supported by facts. Still waiting for your source . . . .

[rogue06]

I believe the statictics are valid here and you have not responded to them. If you wish to post onr that includes race in the mix do so. I may look myself. Rirst as usual your side steping and not responding to the facts.

I thought I made it clear that the statistics are incomplete and misleading, likely deliberately so.