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The flagellum was an ancestor of the T3SS?

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  • #31
    Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
    That is not the conclusion of the consensus of all the scientific research. Your selective citation of references to justify an ID agenda is unethical
    Are you saying these references are wrong?

    Blessings,
    Lee
    "What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)

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    • #32
      Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
      Are you saying these references are wrong?

      Blessings,
      Lee
      It has already been determined that you selectively cited the references to justify your agenda. It has not been determined that all your references are wrong, except your phony ID references.

      The results at present are inconclusive.
      Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
      Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
      But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

      go with the flow the river knows . . .

      Frank

      I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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      • #33
        Something to toss into the mix. Be sure to read carefully if at all.

        From 2015: Type III secretion systems: the bacterial flagellum and the injectisome: Injectisome-T3SS derived from flagellar ancestors



        I'm always still in trouble again

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        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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        • #34
          Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
          It has already been determined that you selectively cited the references to justify your agenda.
          How so? I quote references to support my conclusions.

          The results at present are inconclusive.
          100 citations say no...

          Blessings,
          Lee
          "What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)

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          • #35
            Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
            How so? I quote references to support my conclusions.


            100 citations say no...

            Blessings,
            Lee
            The results at present are inconclusive. Also you use too many non-scientific sources as usual
            Last edited by shunyadragon; 05-26-2021, 08:34 PM.
            Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
            Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
            But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

            go with the flow the river knows . . .

            Frank

            I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
              How so? I quote references to support my conclusions.


              100 citations say no...

              Blessings,
              Lee
              To add; establishing a relationship does not determine which comes first. No, there are not one hundred sources.
              Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
              Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
              But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

              go with the flow the river knows . . .

              Frank

              I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

              Comment


              • #37
                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                Something to toss into the mix. Be sure to read carefully if at all.

                From 2015: Type III secretion systems: the bacterial flagellum and the injectisome: Injectisome-T3SS derived from flagellar ancestors
                That is, i believe, more recent than any of the articles cited in the blog post Lee started this with, correct?
                "Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by thelurch View Post
                  that is, i believe, more recent than any of the articles cited in the blog post lee started this with, correct?
                  afaict.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    Something to toss into the mix. Be sure to read carefully if at all.

                    From 2015: Type III secretion systems: the bacterial flagellum and the injectisome: Injectisome-T3SS derived from flagellar ancestors
                    Yes, but the citations they give for this are from 1998 and 2004. It seems the current opinion in 2021 is the other way around.

                    Blessings,
                    Lee
                    "What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
                      Yes, but the citations they give for this are from 1998 and 2004. It seems the current opinion in 2021 is the other way around.

                      Blessings,
                      Lee
                      Curent opinion doe not depend on what 'seems' from your religious agenda perspective. The contemporary view of science is inconclusive.
                      Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                      Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                      But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                      go with the flow the river knows . . .

                      Frank

                      I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

                      Comment


                      • #41
                        Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                        Curent opinion doe not depend on what 'seems' from your religious agenda perspective. The contemporary view of science is inconclusive.
                        Can you address the arguments being made by the papers in the opening post? I hold they are conclusive, the T3SS is to prey on eukaryotes, so it comes after eukaryotes, and thus before flagella.

                        Blessings,
                        Lee
                        "What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
                          Can you address the arguments being made by the papers in the opening post? I hold they are conclusive, the T3SS is to prey on eukaryotes, so it comes after eukaryotes, and thus before flagella.

                          Blessings,
                          Lee
                          I did.as others did. Also the opening post contained a non-scientific ID reference.
                          Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                          Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                          But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                          go with the flow the river knows . . .

                          Frank

                          I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

                          Comment


                          • #43
                            Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                            I did.as others did. Also the opening post contained a non-scientific ID reference.
                            Where have you addressed the point that the T3SS came after flagella, due to them targeting eukaryotes? This is a main point, made in a paper, that has gone unchallenged.

                            Blessings,
                            Lee
                            "What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
                              Where have you addressed the point that the T3SS came after flagella, due to them targeting eukaryotes? This is a main point, made in a paper, that has gone unchallenged.

                              Blessings,
                              Lee
                              Stop using non-scientific ID references and it may make the dialogue meaningful. OThers have already sufficiently addressed the problem.
                              Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                              Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                              But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                              go with the flow the river knows . . .

                              Frank

                              I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

                              Comment


                              • #45
                                Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                                Stop using non-scientific ID references and it may make the dialogue meaningful. OThers have already sufficiently addressed the problem.
                                I am using scientific references, and no one has addressed the paper that mentioned that the T3SS targets eukaryotes.

                                Blessings,
                                Lee
                                "What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)

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