The goal of the Intelligent Design movement is the dismantling of modern science

[TheLurch]

We all fail at that

Sad but true. I'd like to think that my past failings have given me a bit of humility, though. And the wisdom to try to avoid making my future failings on a public discussion board...

[rogue06]

I guess i just naively expect people to live up to the standards of the beliefs that they proclaim to be motivated by.

We all fail at that

[TheLurch]

Why is anyone surprised?

I guess i just naively expect people to live up to the standards of the beliefs that they proclaim to be motivated by.

[rogue06]

Why is anyone surprised? Even his hoped for distraction regarding ancient cities sort of blew up in his face on him.

[shunyadragon]

Well, I think we've about exhausted this subject. So I'll sign off...

Blessings,
Lee

The usual response when you cannot respond to the subject and the science of the thread.

[TheLurch]

Well, I think we've about exhausted this subject. So I'll sign off...

Wow, you really are quite the troll, aren't you?

[lee_merrill]

Well, I think we've about exhausted this subject. So I'll sign off...

Blessings,
Lee

[TheLurch]

But next to the label "Ancient Ruins of Babylon" is a label "Babylon", on what look like city ruins.

And the point of that?

I've presented clear evidence that people are living within the area that was once enclosed by Babylon's walls. You seem to be waving your hands around and hoping to distract people.

[rogue06]

I point out again Dembski's book "The Design Inference", and Behe's next book, as I have heard, will be along these lines.

Talking about the need for it in an abstract manner hardly counts and they've been promising something on this for 30 years now and are still standing at the starting line.

But he does show his work, how he made his estimates.

Relying on unsupported assumptions and cherry picking data, to be generous.

But I think they are at the "Retrospective Research" step.

Blessings,
Lee

Which would still be rather pathetic. But even there at best a couple have dipped their toe in the water and quickly pulled back.

[shunyadragon]

Yes, we've strayed quite a way from the thread topic, if that's what you mean. That's kind of typical for long threads...

Blessings,
Lee

Actually no. I would like to stay on the topic and wait for you to address the original issues of the thread which you failed to do.

In favt in the early posts you advocated compromising the integrity of Methodological Naturalism to include subjective theological questions that cannot be addressed in science. Your shifting the the discussions to theological issues has been your problem.

[lee_merrill]

Topic of the thread?

Yes, we've strayed quite a way from the thread topic, if that's what you mean. That's kind of typical for long threads...

Blessings,
Lee

[lee_merrill]

Yes, Google has a label for the general area, which you'll see if you search for it, or have things zoomed out far enough that you don't see details. But if you zoom in, you'll see details like specific features in the ruins, including things labeled Tower of Babel, Ancient Walls, and Ishtar Gate.

But next to the label "Ancient Ruins of Babylon" is a label "Babylon", on what look like city ruins.

Blessings,
Lee

[lee_merrill]

“The miracle of life is enough for me to believe in miracles.” ~ Anthony Douglas Williams

[TheLurch]

Oops, I should have said "search Google Earth for 'Ancient Ruins of Babylon'"...

Yes, Google has a label for the general area, which you'll see if you search for it, or have things zoomed out far enough that you don't see details. But if you zoom in, you'll see details like specific features in the ruins, including things labeled Tower of Babel, Ancient Walls, and Ishtar Gate.

I can't believe that, in addition to explaining biology to you, i also have to explain how to use Google Maps.

[TheLurch]

God sometimes works in hidden ways, and sometimes works directly, is my view.

And my view is that you seem to interpret which happened when based on whatever is convenient for your current argument, rather than any firmly held underlying principles.