A retraction on Behe

[lee_merrill]

On reviewing "The Edge of Evolution" again, I realized I had gotten Behe's argument wrong, he does require simultaneous mutations, since he is considering a set of two mutations, where a single mutation in the set is deleterious. Apologies, especially to rogue06.

But I do wonder in the case of chloroquine resistance, whether each of the two required mutations is deleterious by itself. I think not, since the probability of both mutations is the multiplied probability of one mutation singly.

Blessings,
Lee

[Seeker]

On reviewing "The Edge of Evolution" again, I realized I had gotten Behe's argument wrong, he does require simultaneous mutations, since he is considering a set of two mutations, where a single mutation in the set is deleterious. Apologies, especially to rogue06.

But I do wonder in the case of chloroquine resistance, whether each of the two required mutations is deleterious by itself. I think not, since the probability of both mutations is the multiplied probability of one mutation singly.

Blessings,
Lee

Isn't this book from 2007? Is it still up to date (as far as ''creation science'' is concerned, I guess)?

[rogue06]

On reviewing "The Edge of Evolution" again, I realized I had gotten Behe's argument wrong, he does require simultaneous mutations, since he is considering a set of two mutations, where a single mutation in the set is deleterious. Apologies, especially to rogue06.

Appreciated.

It was what I was trying to tell you and the entire basis for the title of his book. He was saying that the odds of the mutations taking place simultaneously (which no biologist were saying and were instead strenuously arguing against) were so astronomical that it was The Edge of Evolution

[TheLurch]

People acknowledging they made mistakes is rare, especially on the internet. It's commendable behavior.

[lee_merrill]

Isn't this book from 2007? Is it still up to date (as far as ''creation science'' is concerned, I guess)?

Yes, it's still current as far as ID is concerned.

He was saying that the odds of the mutations taking place simultaneously (which no biologist were saying and were instead strenuously arguing against) were so astronomical that it was The Edge of Evolution.

Well, he's saying that two mutations did happen, to produce chloroquine resistance, at a rate of about 1 in 10²⁰ organisms. This is all based on a paper, so I don't think that's at issue. Larry Moran's disagreement with Behe is of another sort.

Blessings,
Lee

[rogue06]

Yes, it's still current as far as ID is concerned.

That is rather current for both I.D. and Young Earth Creationists who often focus their attention on what Darwin wrote over a century and a half ago acting like there haven't been any advances since then.