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. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
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The authenticity of the shroud of Turin has pretty much always been in severely doubt. The suspect history,antitomical image distortion, presence of paint, and recent dating has been the accumulated evidence against the shroud.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
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For those of us who don't do video, what's the upshot?
Incidentally, 'short video' makes one wonder what was left out. But whatever, what is the argument?"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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I actually ignored the video. I went by the history of the evidence.Originally posted by Teallaura View PostGlendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
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Yeah, I thought as much. Still waiting for Bible's answer, though.Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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The video creator thinks there's not enough room between the front and back images, mostly because he's confusing a water spot that lies between them with the back of the head.Originally posted by Teallaura View PostComment
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Ah... Thanks."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Fixed it for ya...Originally posted by Sparko View Posthe uses a barbie doll to prove he's an idiot.
What a waste of pixels...
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It's proved a fake from the scripture record. Don't need nobody with a barbie doll or anything else to tell me that it isn't the shroud of Christ.
It might be somebody's, but it isn't His.
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Scripture records the existence of burial cloths."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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I think she's talking about the description of the burial, or perhaps the patterns on the cloth itself.Originally posted by Teallaura View PostComment
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I tend to agree. It just does not match up with what read in John and the other Gospels or what was known about Jewish burial customs of the time.Originally posted by mossrose View Post
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I know what she was talking about - but Scripture doesn't preclude a burial shroud (and it isn't inconsistent with 1st Cent. burial).Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
This will now devolve into a debate of what the word 'is' means...
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John 20:7 NASB
and the face-cloth which had been on His head, not lying with the linen wrappings, but rolled up in a place by itself.
John 19:39-40 NASB
The myrrh and aloes were sticky and were used to adhere the strips of linen to themselves and to the body.39 Nicodemus, who had first come to Him by night, also came, bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds weight. 40 So they took the body of Jesus and bound it in linen wrappings with the spices, as is the burial custom of the Jews.
Which would have made the resurrection even more astounding, since the wrappings would have been all stuck together and couldn't have been removed without unwrapping them.
And the face cloth is a problem. The shroud wouldn't have needed a face cloth.
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