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  • #91
    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    You didn't think this statement through, did you?
    Quit helping! He wants to destroy his own argument, let him!

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    • #92
      Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
      References not provided that would base the existence of fragments of the NT before 100 BCE. Actually the references you provided confirm that the fragments are post 100 AD except for the reference to the Mark fragment as previously cited was a pre-publication estimate. The date of the final research and publication of the results on the Mark fragment dated the fragment as well after 100 AD.
      Of course not - the NT was written AD, not BC.

      (I had a much better comeback but Rogue messed it all up... )

      Regardless, yep, there IS fragmentary evidence before 100 AD - and those references, which you didn't read, were provided.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
        Of course not - the NT was written AD, not BC.

        (I had a much better comeback but Rogue messed it all up... )

        Regardless, yep, there IS fragmentary evidence before 100 AD - and those references, which you didn't read, were provided.
        I read them and the only one that was a maybe was the reference to the fragment of Mark, which when the research was published the dating of the fragment was after 150 AD. Please cite specifically where your references describe a fragment that is dated prior to 100 AD, and do not argue by web link, which is unethical on Tweb.
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        Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
        But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

        go with the flow the river knows . . .

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        • #94
          Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
          ....
          Another long hand wave...

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
            Another long hand wave...
            Yes, your good at hand waving, and dodging providing a coherent response. You were arguing by web link is unethical on Tweb, which you did and will not back it up.

            I read them and the only one that was a maybe was the reference to the fragment of Mark, which when the research was published the dating of the fragment was after 150 AD. Please cite specifically where your references describe a fragment that is dated prior to 100 AD, and do not argue by web link, which is unethical on Tweb.
            Last edited by shunyadragon; 08-28-2019, 07:42 PM.
            Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
            Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
            But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

            go with the flow the river knows . . .

            Frank

            I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
              ....
              More waving...

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                More waving...
                Your arms must be getting tired.

                Yes, your good at hand waving, and dodging providing a coherent response. You were arguing by web link is unethical on Tweb, which you did and will not back it up.

                I read them and the only one that was a maybe was the reference to the fragment of Mark, which when the research was published the dating of the fragment was after 150 AD. Please cite specifically where your references describe a fragment that is dated prior to 100 AD, and do not argue by web link, which is unethical on Tweb.
                Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                go with the flow the river knows . . .

                Frank

                I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                  ....
                  More waving...

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                    More waving...
                    Still waiting . . .

                    Your arms must be getting tired.

                    Yes, your good at hand waving, and dodging providing a coherent response. You were arguing by web link is unethical on Tweb, which you did and will not back it up.

                    I read them and the only one that was a maybe was the reference to the fragment of Mark, which when the research was published the dating of the fragment was after 150 AD. Please cite specifically where your references describe a fragment that is dated prior to 100 AD, and do not argue by web link, which is unethical on Tweb.
                    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                    go with the flow the river knows . . .

                    Frank

                    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                    • Anyone else think it's funny how shuny's initial claim was that,

                      Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                      We have nothing within a hundred years of the life of Jesus Christ,
                      but now he's sneakily changing that to:

                      Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                      Please cite specifically where your references describe a fragment that is dated prior to 100 AD
                      ?
                      ~Formerly known as Chrawnus~

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                      • Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post
                        Anyone else think it's funny how shuny's initial claim was that,



                        but now he's sneakily changing that to:



                        ?
                        I don't think he's being sneaky. He's not exactly good with details.
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                        • Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post

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                          • Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post
                            Anyone else think it's funny how shuny's initial claim was that,



                            but now he's sneakily changing that to:



                            ?
                            And now he has read what he clearly hasn't.

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                            • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                              They were holy enough to be regularly read aloud at meetings. That puts the lie to the "living text" idea.
                              They were indeed regularly read aloud at meetings. So were many other “living texts” such as the Epistle of Barnabas, Epistles of Clement, The Gospel of Thomas, The Didache and several other texts…during the first two centuries in particular. The Canon of Holy Writ was not finalized until much later. Its definitive form was not drawn up until the Easter letter of Bishop Athanasius in 367 C.E.

                              I believe this is an example of "poisoning the well". If all you've got is argument by fallacy, you've failed.
                              No true scholarship begins with an assumption. In this instance the assumption is of “inerrant scripture”. This is not scholarship, its confirmation bias.
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                              • Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post
                                Anyone else think it's funny how shuny's initial claim was that,



                                but now he's sneakily changing that to:



                                ?
                                Both refer to the same problem. There are no fragments of the NT that have been documented as being prior to 100 AD. Teallaura threw out links, unethical arguing from web link, without explanation and they did not support his claims, and refused to cite them accurrated where they document fragments before 100 AD. One reference was a guess of the Mark fragment that it was a pre 100 AD fragment. I had already posted the final research publication that dated it after 150 AD. Another reference he cited was a vague layman's reference that did not support what he claimed.

                                If you are able to provide academic references that document NT fragments that date before 100 AD please do.
                                Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                                Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                                But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                                go with the flow the river knows . . .

                                Frank

                                I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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