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Cerne Giant in Dorset dates from Anglo-Saxon times, analysis suggests

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

    Hmm no specific references to any individuals, just Castleden's work. As I recall Aubrey does not mention this figure.
    Which appears to support speculation that at various times the figure was covered over by plant growth.

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  • Hypatia_Alexandria
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post

    Quick check and first source, Wiki:

    The origin and age of the figure are unclear. Though it was often thought of as an ancient construction, the earliest mention of it dates to the late 17th century. Early antiquarians associated it, on little evidence, with a Saxon deity, while other scholars sought to identify it with a Romano-British figure of Hercules or some syncretisation of the two


    It wasn't a universally accepted assessment as you can see.
    Hmm no specific references to any individuals, just Castleden's work. As I recall Aubrey does not mention this figure.

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
    From my reading I understand it is believed the phallus was added in the seventeenth century.

    Do you have a source on these seventeenth century opinions that the figure was Anglo Saxon?

    It is in Sussex!
    Quick check and first source, Wiki:

    The origin and age of the figure are unclear. Though it was often thought of as an ancient construction, the earliest mention of it dates to the late 17th century. Early antiquarians associated it, on little evidence, with a Saxon deity, while other scholars sought to identify it with a Romano-British figure of Hercules or some syncretisation of the two


    It wasn't a universally accepted assessment as you can see.

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  • Hypatia_Alexandria
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    I remember hearing something from several years back indicating that originally something was draped over his left arm, with speculation at the time that it might represent a lion skin with the figure therefore likely being Hercules. It seems they've returned full circle with it being Anglo-Saxon, which is what was first suggested back in the 17th cent.
    From my reading I understand it is believed the phallus was added in the seventeenth century.

    Do you have a source on these seventeenth century opinions that the figure was Anglo Saxon?

    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    Now to see if the Wilmington Giant also dates from this time.
    It is in Sussex!

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  • rogue06
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    I remember hearing something from several years back indicating that originally something was draped over his left arm, with speculation at the time that it might represent a lion skin with the figure therefore likely being Hercules. It seems they've returned full circle with it being Anglo-Saxon, which is what was first suggested back in the 17th cent.

    Now to see if the Wilmington Giant also dates from this time.

    Leave a comment:


  • Cerne Giant in Dorset dates from Anglo-Saxon times, analysis suggests

    WARNING TO THE EASILY OFFENDED: THE ARTICLE CONTAINS A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE CARVING IN ALL HIS "MANHOOD".

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/...lysis-suggests


    Over the centuries the huge, naked, club-wielding giant carved into a steep hillside in Dorset has been thought prehistoric, Celtic, Roman or even a 17th century lampoon of Oliver Cromwell.

    After 12 months of new, hi-tech sediment analysis, the National Trust has now revealed the probable truth and experts admit they are taken aback. The bizarre, enigmatic Cerne Giant is none of the above, but late Saxon, possibly 10th century.


    Martin Papworth, a senior archaeologist at the trust, said he was somewhat “flabbergasted … He’s not prehistoric, he’s not Roman, he’s sort of Saxon, into the medieval period. I was expecting 17th century.”

    The geoarchaeologist Mike Allen, who has been researching microscopic snails in the sediment, agreed. “This is not what was expected,” he said. “Many archaeologists and historians thought he was prehistoric or post-medieval, but not medieval. Everyone was wrong, and that makes these results even more exciting.”

    The research has involved studying samples, which show when individual grains of sand in the sediment were last exposed to sunlight. Material from the deepest layer suggest a date range of 700-AD1100.

    It was in the middle of that date range, AD978, that Cerne Abbey was founded nearby. Stories talk about the abbey being set up to convert locals away from worshipping an early Anglo-Saxon god called Heil or Heilith, all of which invite the question, is the giant Heilith?

    For various reasons Papworth said that theory did not ring true. The whole story of the giant is made more confusing by there being no mention of the giant in surviving abbey documents. “Why would a rich and famous abbey – just a few yards away – commission, or sanction, a naked man carved in chalk on the hillside?”

    Documents from the 16th and 17th century also make no reference to the giant, which suggests to Papworth that it was created and then forgotten about, perhaps overgrown with grass until someone noticed the glimmer of an outline.

    Gordon Bishop, chair of the Cerne Historical Society, said the conclusions were as intriguing as they were surprising. “What I am personally pleased about is that the results appear to have put an end to the theory that he was created in the 17th century as an insult to Oliver Cromwell. I thought that rather demeaned the giant.”

    Bishop said it seemed to him likely the giant had a religious, albeit pagan, significance. “There’s obviously a lot of research for us to do over the next few years.”

    More broadly the analysis results shed important light on the phenomenon of chalk hill figures in Britain, said Allen. “Archaeologists have wanted to pigeonhole chalk hill figures into the same period. But carving these figures was not a particular phase – they’re all individual figures, with local significance, each telling us something about that place and time.”

    At 180ft (55 metres) the Cerne Giant is Britain’s largest, rudest and as a result best-known chalk hill figure. He is also the most mysterious.

    Some have said he is Hercules. The more fanciful suggest he was an actual giant slain by villagers as he slept on the hill after a busy day eating their livestock.

    Many people doubt that the phallus is original. “If he does date to the time of the abbey then he is more acceptable with trousers on than without,” said Papworth.

    Asked for his most likely theory on its origins he admitted he was stumped. “I don’t know. I don’t have one. I can’t get my head round it … you can make up all sorts of stories. I don’t know why he is on the hill, I’ve no idea. I can’t work it out. I never would have guessed he would be 10th century.”


    Another article on these recent findings can be found here: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...ne-abbas-giant


    If I recall correctly local folklore used to believe that women who wished to conceive should sit on the appropriate part of his anatomy!

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