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This forum is for Christian creationists (YEC and OEC) only, and we ask that conversations be kept civil and with brotherly charity.

Deistic notions or even theistic evolutionary* notions are excluded from this forum.

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There have been some issues as to who is allowed to post in this area and who is not. TheologyWeb had very specific goals and ideas in mind when setting up this area, and this is an attempt to clarify. This forum is for creationists only. This is not simply naturalism plus a belief in God or gods. So in other words, the question that a poster must ask himself is this: In what significant ways do my views on the origin of life and the universe differ from a non-theistic materialistic view practically speaking? If there are no significant differences, then this forum is not for you. The purpose is for persons who believe in a very active and significant “creation” process. All theists will by definition have some metaphysical elements, that is not the deciding factor here. Also simply a belief in the supernatural special creation of man or the infusion of a specially created soul is not the deciding factor. Of course those things are important, but that is not the sum and substance of the types of discussions here in which this would be a significant difference in the debate discussions.

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Due to the rash of recent "hostile" threads, the Cosmogony forum guidelines have been updated in an effort to 1) Clarify the purpose of this forum and 2) to prevent a repeat of the recent unpleasantries.

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*Theistic evolution is a position somewhere between evolution and creationism. It says that God created the substance of our universe and the guided it into what we have today via the evolutionary process.
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  • #16
    Originally posted by hansgeorg View Post
    With Adam's Sin, we retained the image but lost the likeness. Some regained it, some (like Cain) didn't.

    But Cain's father and mother were, when created, both image and also likeness of God.
    Dear hansgeorg

    Perhaps, what you STILL don't realized, even to this date when Moses is read.... is the Biblical Facts that... Adam was MADE just a natural Living Soul on the 3rd Day and was only CREATED in the image and likeness of God on the 6th Day.......In the Day, AFTER Adam had already committed his "original sin"; AFTER Cain had already killed Abel; and only AFTER when men started to call upon the name of the Lord (Gen 4:26) during Seth's Generations!

    Since God is rich and full of mercy, the Trinity decided to redeemed Adam.... by making him a quickening spirit.

    Look and read....

    Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. IN THE DAY that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; v2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, IN THE DAY when they were created. v3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

    You don't see the generations of Cain being included in the generations of Adam IN THE DAY Adam and his generations were created in the image and likeness of God, do you?

    Of course not!!! Only willingly ignorant will continue to stumble to this Truth.

    1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

    God bless
    Last edited by Seve; 12-12-2016, 07:33 AM.


    • #17
      Originally posted by Seve View Post
      is the Biblical Facts that... Adam was MADE just a natural Living Soul on the 3rd Day and was only CREATED in the image and likeness of God on the 6th Day.......In the Day, AFTER Adam had already committed his "original sin"; AFTER Cain had already killed Abel; and only AFTER when men started to call upon the name of the Lord (Gen 4:26) during Seth's Generations!
      Oh, you take the chapters of Genesis as chronological?

      Thanks, Sparko, for telling how I add the link here!


      • #18
        Originally posted by hansgeorg View Post
        Oh, you take the chapters of Genesis as chronological?
        Dear hansgeorg,

        Since God sees the end from the beginning, Isa 46:10 He wrote the complete HISTORY of His Seven Days in the first 34 verses of Genesis. At Gen 2:4 the narrative RETURNS to the details of the THIRD Day.

        IOW, Genesis 1 is an Outline of ALL of the events leading to the Creation of the Perfect Heaven. Most of the rest of the Bible refers to the present 6th Day, but ALL of the Bible refers to the events of God's 6 Creative Days. That's why we are taken back to the 3rd Day at Gen 2:4. The narrative is adding details to the events listed in Gen 1. Both accounts Gen 1 & 2 agree totally and in detail.

        Gen 2:4-7 ADDS details to the events of the 3rd Day, the SAME Day Adam was Formed (Heb - yatsar) . The details show that Adam was made.... then plants, herbs and trees, which were put into the Garden of Eden, which is another detail to ADD to the outline of the events of God's 7 Days as shown in the first 34 verses of Genesis. Gen 2:8-9

        THEN, Adam was "created" (Heb - bara') in God's Image or born again Spiritually on the 6th Day at the SAME time Eve was "created" (Heb - bara') Spiritually, Gen 5:1-2. Adam could NOT have been born Spiritually until the 6th Day because Eve was NOT made from his rib until the 6th Day. Gen 2:22

        It's all a part of God's way of hiding His Truth from everyone except those who have been born again Spiritually AND live in the last days of our Age.

        God bless


        • #19
          Moderated By: Littlejoe

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