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  • Old earth creationism evidence for the Biblical flood.

    Please, this thread is not to debate OEC and YEC directly, but rather for either view to present specific geological evidence that requires the Biblical flood, whether to be local-universal or globle in scope. The Biblical texts and how they may be interpreted are not at issue here either.

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    Evidence for a flood -- Smithsonian Magazine:
    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/scienc...ood-102813115/

    Source: http://www.smithsonianmag.com

    . . . — the story of Noah's flood. Scholars have known for a long time that the Bible isn't the only place this story is found — in fact, the biblical story is similar to a much older Mesopotamian flood story in the epic of Gilgamesh. Scholars usually attribute things like the worldwide occurrence of flood stories to common human experiences and our love of repeating good stories, but recently scientists have started to uncover evidence that Noah's flood may have a basis in some rather astonishing events that took place around the Black Sea some 7,500 years ago.

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    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by 37818 View Post
      Evidence for a flood -- Smithsonian Magazine:
      http://www.smithsonianmag.com/scienc...ood-102813115/

      Source: http://www.smithsonianmag.com

      . . . — the story of Noah's flood. Scholars have known for a long time that the Bible isn't the only place this story is found — in fact, the biblical story is similar to a much older Mesopotamian flood story in the epic of Gilgamesh. Scholars usually attribute things like the worldwide occurrence of flood stories to common human experiences and our love of repeating good stories, but recently scientists have started to uncover evidence that Noah's flood may have a basis in some rather astonishing events that took place around the Black Sea some 7,500 years ago.

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      This article summarizes the work done by Ryan and Pitman and explained in their book "Noah's Flood". This is a very good, readable book. The science is interesting and compelling.

      But equating the flooding of the Black Sea with Noah's flood is biblically problematic. This would imply that Noah's flood did not wipe out all humanity, but only those living around the Black Sea.
      "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." – Albert Einstein

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Kbertsche View Post
        This article summarizes the work done by Ryan and Pitman and explained in their book "Noah's Flood". This is a very good, readable book. The science is interesting and compelling.

        But equating the flooding of the Black Sea with Noah's flood is biblically problematic. This would imply that Noah's flood did not wipe out all humanity, but only those living around the Black Sea.
        A very interesting read and an intriguing topic (I picked up a copy right after it was released), but I wouldn't go as far as to say compelling.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          A very interesting read and an intriguing topic (I picked up a copy right after it was released), but I wouldn't go as far as to say compelling.
          What I think is "compelling" is the geology that they presented. They present good evidence that the Black Sea was a freshwater lake in the past, separated from the ocean by a land bridge, and that this ruptured and flooded the Black Sea with salt water.

          I do not find it very compelling that this was actually the flood discussed in Gen 6-9.
          "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." – Albert Einstein

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          • #6
            Hi 37818,

            What to you mean by "the Biblical flood"? One that covered the entire globe, or a localized one?

            If a global flood, I don't see how an old earth view could provide evidence for it as their old-age interpretation of the flood layers would not allow for it.

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