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Dunning–Kruger effect

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  • #16
    Proverbs: giving wise insights of people thousands of years before Psychologists. Think psychology reinvents the wheel? Ancient wisdom literature and philosophers were very insightful.
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    • #17
      I don't think you need to pit it as "psychologists vs ancient wisdom: which is better? who was first?"

      In point of fact, there's a big difference between the wisdom expressed in proverbs and the specific hypothesis being tested by Dunning and Kruger; one major difference is "scope". Dunning and Kruger's hypothesis is less general, and more specific (limited) than the proverbs; it deals specifically with how well individuals estimate their own ability in intellectual subjects. It isn't really about being a fool, so much a hypothesis that people tasked with estimating their own ability in a field are likely to overestimate if they lack solid background to help be more realistic on their own abilities.

      One of the studies suggested that a basic level of tutoring in a subject has the effect of helping people get a better appreciation of where their own ability stands even before there is much change in their abilities from the tutoring. There are also some indications that the results have a cultural aspect; some cultures (in Asia?) may present an inverted effect in which non experts are inclined to underestimate their ability. And so on.

      Dunning Kruger effect is not a proverb; but a hypothesis in psychology.

      Cheers -- sylas

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      • #18
        I wasn't trying to pit them against each other. It's just interesting that we've been figuring ourselves out for as long as we've existed.
        If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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        • #19
          Sure! "The proper study of mankind is man"

          Though on checking that quote, it may be more controversial at tweb than I had first realized:


          Know then thyself, presume not God to scan

          The proper study of Mankind is Man.
          Placed on this isthmus of a middle state,
          A Being darkly wise, and rudely great:
          With too much knowledge for the Sceptic side,
          With too much weakness for the Stoic's pride,
          He hangs between; in doubt to act, or rest;
          In doubt to deem himself a God, or Beast;
          In doubt his mind or body to prefer;
          Born but to die, and reas'ning but to err;
          Alike in ignorance, his reason such,
          Whether he thinks too little, or too much;
          Chaos of Thought and Passion, all confus'd;
          Still by himself, abus'd or disabus'd;
          Created half to rise and half to fall;
          Great Lord of all things, yet a prey to all,
          Sole judge of truth, in endless error hurl'd;
          The glory, jest and riddle of the world.

          Go, wondrous creature! mount where science guides,

          Go, measure earth, weigh air, and state the tides;
          Instruct the planets in what orbs to run,
          Correct old time, and regulate the sun;
          Go, soar with Plato to th’ empyreal sphere,
          To the first good, first perfect, and first fair;
          Or tread the mazy round his followers trod,
          And quitting sense call imitating God;
          As Eastern priests in giddy circles run,
          And turn their heads to imitate the sun.
          Go, teach Eternal Wisdom how to rule—
          Then drop into thyself, and be a fool!


          (Alexander Pope 1734)

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          • #20
            I think there is a parallel here between 'task' and knowledge,. In general the more knowledgeable scientists are about their specialty the more humble they are about the nature of their knowledge, and they are willing to question their results, particularly in science.
            Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
            Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
            But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

            go with the flow the river knows . . .

            Frank

            I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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