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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostIt was intended as a jocular [albeit perhaps tactless] remark. Nor did CP appear overly exercised by it when I posted it.
If I have given offence I can only write "sorry".
Although I will add that CP can be abusively unpleasant in his remarks to me none of which are ever challenged or questioned by you; and that another contributor has repeatedly referred to me as a cancer or tumour and once wrote that they would dance on my grave, again none of which has ever prompted either yourself or any other moderator to question their language or edit their comments.
Do more of that.
That might strike some as a somewhat partisan approach
Post in good faith - and see what happens.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Do you think this makes you look smart - providing quotes that have nothing to do with the current topic?
All it does is make you look like somebody who desperately wants to be relevant.
Roadside Memorials are part of how people deal with grief when they've lost a loved one.
Maybe that's it --- maybe you've never been loved.
Perhaps, if you stopped acting like a know-it-all ...
from: https://www.tikvahlake.com/blog/what-is-a-sociopath/
Sociopaths prefer to play mental games and undermine their victims with manipulation tactics and deception for personal gain. This allows them to maintain a charming façade and continue to enjoy any benefits from mentally abusing their victims without consequence
Who does that sound like?
1. Lack of Empathy
This is the hallmark of a sociopath. They are hyper-aware of their feelings and needs but do not show any regard for others’ feelings. They are unable to recognise the emotions of others, the whole concept is foreign to them. It is not only a lack of caring, they are just unable to process others’ feelings. This lack of conscience and inability to feel remorse is what makes sociopaths, potentially, quite dangerous.
again, who does that sound like?
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Once again, against my better judgment, I'm going to assume this is one of the extraordinarily rare times you are posting in good faith, and respond accordingly.
As a Christian, I - and many many other Christians I know - actually agree that sorrow or grief is "selfish", and willingly admit it.
Particularly where the departed had gone through pain and suffering, as we would not want them to "stay here" just because we would miss them.
We grieve because WE miss the person.
In the case where the departed was a Christian, we have joy that they are with the Lord.
It's actually possible to have both feelings --- sorrow because we miss our loved one, and joy that they are no longer suffering.
We (Christians) still grieve, but not like those who have no hope of ever seeing their loved one(s) again.
We grieve because we miss them "for a time", but look forward to being reunited with them in eternity.
In the case of the Roadside Memorial, it's more challenging, because there was no illness or pain to indicate that they may be passing.
They just suddenly are gone.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThe word that describes this is bittersweet. And no I don't mean chocolate.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Do you think this makes you look smart - providing quotes that have nothing to do with the current topic?
All it does is make you look like somebody who desperately wants to be relevant.
Roadside Memorials are part of how people deal with grief when they've lost a loved one.
Maybe that's it --- maybe you've never been loved.
Perhaps, if you stopped acting like a know-it-all ...
We aren't the Beverley Hillbillies
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
As I said, she doesn't seem to understand human emotions. The only people I know like that are called sociopaths.
from: https://www.tikvahlake.com/blog/what-is-a-sociopath/
Sociopaths prefer to play mental games and undermine their victims with manipulation tactics and deception for personal gain. This allows them to maintain a charming façade and continue to enjoy any benefits from mentally abusing their victims without consequence
Who does that sound like?
1. Lack of Empathy
This is the hallmark of a sociopath. They are hyper-aware of their feelings and needs but do not show any regard for others’ feelings. They are unable to recognise the emotions of others, the whole concept is foreign to them. It is not only a lack of caring, they are just unable to process others’ feelings. This lack of conscience and inability to feel remorse is what makes sociopaths, potentially, quite dangerous.
again, who does that sound like?
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
EGGzackly, which is why nearly every Christian funeral over which I preside turns out to be a delicious medley of both tears and laughter.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Once again, against my better judgment, I'm going to assume this is one of the extraordinarily rare times you are posting in good faith, and respond accordingly.
As a Christian, I - and many many other Christians I know - actually agree that sorrow or grief is "selfish", and willingly admit it.
Particularly where the departed had gone through pain and suffering, as we would not want them to "stay here" just because we would miss them. We grieve because WE miss the person
However, that has not prevented us from still greatly missing him.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIn the case where the departed was a Christian, we have joy that they are with the Lord.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt's actually possible to have both feelings --- sorrow because we miss our loved one, and joy that they are no longer suffering.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWe (Christians) still grieve, but not like those who have no hope of ever seeing their loved one(s) again.
We grieve because we miss them "for a time", but look forward to being reunited with them in eternity.
However, I do recognise that our physical remains go back into the various cycles that will assist in producing new life.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIn the case of the Roadside Memorial, it's more challenging, because there was no illness or pain to indicate that they may be passing.
They just suddenly are gone.
In the Classical world such people were termed the Aôroi i.e. those who had died before time, cheated of their full span of life. And it was believed that because they had not been able to enjoy their life to its natural conclusion their spirits/ghosts were restless and stayed back to haunt the living [and could also be malevolent] in their envy of those still alive.
Likewise those who had died by violence the Bi[ai]othanatoi [particularly murder victims and suicides] were believed to be among the most resentful of spirits.
There was also a deep belief that the spirit [or at least part of the spirit] haunted the place of death, even though the corpse was elsewhere.
And such spirits needed to be propitiated by offerings and gifts.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
EGGzackly, which is why nearly every Christian funeral over which I preside turns out to be a delicious medley of both tears and laughter."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
As I said, she doesn't seem to understand human emotions. The only people I know like that are called sociopaths.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
And with that I agree. Fifteen years ago a very dear friend had a stroke that have left him totally incapacitated. He had always been a great outdoor person, skier, rock climber, and hiker and to be left completely paralysed as well reliant on others for his most basic needs would have been a torture for him. A few weeks after that stroke he suffered a fatal heart attack. And that we all felt was, for him, the best thing to have happened.
However, that has not prevented us from still greatly missing him.
Emotions are all jumbled in times like that.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostOn the contrary I fully understand human emotions. However, I also understand that some of our behaviours regarding rites of passage have ancient antecedents.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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