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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
At one level. However, the need to propitiate the dead in various ways has very ancient roots in human societies.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostSo in your mind, when someone visits the grave of a loved one and leaves some flowers, it has nothing to do with respect, honoring, love, devotion and the sense of loss. It's all due to fear and because they're placating the dead.
HOWEVER, you might not be wrong!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Yeah, this is not that.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
You think so? Why do people put flowers on graves? Why do the graves of children often have sweets or soft toys placed on them? What purpose does any of that serve?
They do it as a sign of love, respect, honor, memorial... concepts with which, not surprisingly, you are unfamiliar.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostSo in your mind, when someone visits the grave of a loved one and leaves some flowers, it has nothing to do with respect, honoring, love, devotion and the sense of loss. It's all due to fear and because they're placating the dead so they stay dead and buried.
We need to remember that many ancient societies held the belief that the dead resented the living and did not really want to be dead. Hence they had to be propitiated otherwise they could cause trouble.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
They're certainly not afraid of the dead.
They do it as a sign of love, respect, honor, memorial... concepts with which, not surprisingly, you are unfamiliar.
If there is no fear of death and the dead why are ghost stories/folktales about the dead [and in various forms] found across so many human cultures?"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
In part but why flowers? What do flowers symbolise? Even Neanderthal burials have shown evidence of flowers being strewn with the corpse. And why are some ancient burials often found in the foetal position?
We need to remember that many ancient societies held the belief that the dead resented the living and did not really want to be dead. Hence they had to be propitiated otherwise they could cause trouble.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
In part but why flowers? What do flowers symbolise? Even Neanderthal burials have shown evidence of flowers being strewn with the corpse. And why are some ancient burials often found in the foetal position?
We need to remember that many ancient societies held the belief that the dead resented the living and did not really want to be dead. Hence they had to be propitiated otherwise they could cause trouble.
Christian burial rituals are not about propitiation.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostIsn't it about an underlying fear of the dead and death?
No one wants to be dead - even those who believe they will spend eternity in paradise are not generally rushing to get there.
If there is no fear of death and the dead why are ghost stories/folktales about the dead [and in various forms] found across so many human cultures?
And, no, they don't sacrifice babies at these roadside memorials, either.
(By the way, "ghost stories" around the campfire is a great tradition, meant to scare people in fun -- I know you won't get that)
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Isn't it about an underlying fear of the dead and death? No one wants to be dead - even those who believe they will spend eternity in paradise are not generally rushing to get there.
If there is no fear of death and the dead why are ghost stories/folktales about the dead [and in various forms] found across so many human cultures?
People go to graves to feel close to their loved ones. They bring flowers as offerings of love and respect. To show that they believe their loved ones are still with them. They WANT their loved ones to be still with them. They are not afraid of them or trying to keep them propitiated and dead. They await the day they will be reunited with their loved ones in heaven and the resurrection.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
So when a man gives the woman he loves flowers, it is a sign that he is afraid of her?
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
In part but why flowers? What do flowers symbolise? Even Neanderthal burials have shown evidence of flowers being strewn with the corpse. And why are some ancient burials often found in the foetal position?
We need to remember that many ancient societies held the belief that the dead resented the living and did not really want to be dead. Hence they had to be propitiated otherwise they could cause trouble.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
So when a man gives the woman he loves flowers, it is a sign that he is afraid of her?
However, in your example his partner is not dead - at least one trusts not."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
In part but why flowers? What do flowers symbolise? Even Neanderthal burials have shown evidence of flowers being strewn with the corpse. And why are some ancient burials often found in the foetal position?
We need to remember that many ancient societies held the belief that the dead resented the living and did not really want to be dead. Hence they had to be propitiated otherwise they could cause trouble.
As for why flowers? I could easily provide a half dozen credible potential explanations but they would be largely speculative.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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